A Better/Faster/Smoother Solution to MPC+Madvr & PotPlayer (Page 1 of 5)

Yes to MPDN 32-Bit since SVP doesn't work with 64-Bit.

Yes to LAV Filters

Yes to FFDShow

No to Madvr, I already have it installed on my PC and always have had it installed and updated. But I don't believe it's a requirement for MPDN as stated in the OP for the program on doom9 forums (it comes with its own settings for upscaling and downscaling that are similar to Madvr, have a look at the options for MPDN).

To get SVP to work you must go to View --> Options --> Video (under DirectShow) and add ffdshow raw video filter to the selected filters (that's all you NEED to do). And select DX11 As the presentation API obviously. Have a look at all the settings.

EDIT: I'm not the developer of MPDN, Zachs is the developer, so any questions regarding MPDN are best answered by him.

As for the options in MPDN, you should be familiar with them if you've used Madvr. Have a look through the options, from dithering to Luma & Chroma up-scaling and down-sampling. The Render Script is by far the best feature, that needs to be downloaded alongside the extensions and added to the MPDN Directory. It's all in the OP.

File association hasn't been added yet to my knowledge, I run the program and open files with it, it still is in development, it's still being fine tuned, and Zachs listens to all sort of suggestions so best ask on the thread there.

PS: LAV automatically loads. Play a video and you'll see what I mean, you should see LAV & FFDShow in the tray icons area after you've added FFDShow.

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For your screen-flickering issue, you have to ask in the forums on Doom9, I don't know why you're having the problems above (maybe it's driver issues, not sure, try DX9 or DX10.1 and see if you're having the same problem).

I'd love to try MPDM with SVP but first I have to stop MPDM from dropping frames (it's dropping about 20 frames a second). Average rendering time is 150ms.  (My rig is an i53570k, a GTX970, etc. and SVP works pretty much perfectly for me with PotPlayer or MPC.) I've tried Direct X 9,10, and 11. I've tried both the 86 and 64 versions. I went to your article and tried your instructions. I've tried playing with every LAV option. Nothing works. Any chance it's not accessing my GPU? It lists my Graphics Adapter ID as 0. Thanks in advance....

The frame dropping issue is normal, if you watch the video you'll know it's running smooth. I run a 24fps video at 4x source, thus it's running at 96fps on a 60Hz monitor which can only do a max of 60fps, the remainder of the frames are literally "dropped" by the media player. The reason why MPC doesn't drop them is because Madvr Smooth Motion feature remains enabled even if the frame-rate is higher than the monitor refresh rate, with MPDN smooth motion or fluid motion rather, is disabled once you're running SVP at faster frame rate than the monitor refresh rate. What you need to look at is delayed frames! If you're getting any delayed frames it means it's lagging and you need to tone down the settings for SVP or the Media Player.

Graphic Adapter ID as 0 is normal, that's what mine is... Also you can't expect to run my SVP settings on a 3570K, unless it's clocked ridiculously high. SVP is mostly a CPU intensive program, your GTX 970 will handle the render scripts. Read my article, I state that unless you're running the same hardware as I am or your hardware is better than mine, I cannot guarantee that my settings will work.

In fact here's the best way to test it. You use MPC? or PotPlayer? First use my SVP Settings with whichever one you're using, make sure everything is running stable, tweak it (every person's SVP should be different, depending on their hardware, mine is just a general guide as to how I achieved maximum smoothness), then after you've assured SVP is running smoothly, then and only then start tweaking around with MPDN. That way at least you know 100% that whatever issues are arising are related to MPDN.

I honestly have no idea... You'd have to ask on the MPDN Thread.

Just remember,

1. Download and extract "Media Player .NET (MPDN) - x86 Edition" into an EMPTY folder.

2. Download and extract "Latest MPDN Player Extensions, Render Scripts and Custom Linear Scalers Pack", into ANOTHER empty folder.

3. Open the folder from STEP 2, you should see another folder titled "MPDN_Extensions_Master", open that and COPY everything inside of it to the MPDN folder from STEP 1 and overwrite all the files.

Every time a new version comes out you have to do this, you can for example go into the folder from step 2 and extract that specific folder directly to the MPDN directory; which is what I do using WinRAR.

It works pretty decent on my old rig (7850 + fx 6300 6 cores @ 4.7 Ghz + win 8.1).
It even can auto set up 72 Hz as MPC HC. No dropped/delayed frames for me.
I really cant understand why it has less artifacts than MPC but its real.

I'm going to definitely go ahead and say it's Windows 10 related. Because your problems are not normal. I am honest, MPDN has been simply amazing for me, uses less resources (less RAM, less GPU, and less CPU power), and on top of all of that after setting up the render scripts it'll look even better than Madvr with less artefacts.

Go to render script, add a image processor, configure the image processor, go to sweetfx folder and add LumaSharpen... Watch how much sharper videos look with this... Glad to hear you're not having issues with it. Enjoy.

Don't try the other stuff, I have a 7970 OC Edition and I personally can't run some of the settings.

I forced svp to do 3x rate and activated change refresh rate plugin in MPDN. Works perfect. It did crash player for me if I start it @ 72 Hz without plugin.

Leaving the same settings in SVP, I see no improvement in artifacts compared to MPC-HC. With the movie "The Theory Of Everything" at the beginning where the bike riders are in front of complex back grounds of tree leaves, the artifacts are both exactly the same, my projector handles that scene better, to be honest.
A player is a player, turn up the settings in SVP to make it more smooth _ the artifacts increase _ turn the settings down _ you get less artifacts, but less smoothness.

Why it isn't running on your Radeon HD7670M could be due to driver issues? I'm not sure to be honest as to why it isn't working. I see you've asked on the Doom9 Forums, I think Zachs is on holiday, so he might not get back to you as quickly as you'd hope, but if someone else has had a similar issue they'll get back to you.

As to why we are running at 4x the source; I partly explain it in the article. But it has been well documented and argued (while some don't believe it), running 4x the source actually makes the video "appear" a lot smoother (if your hardware is capable of running it), even if it's over your refresh rate. Running at 6x via forcing refresh rate, I tested it and it does appear to be even smoother than 4x, but for the benefit of everyone, as well as less explaining for me to do on the article, we'll be using 4x frame-rate.

Regarding render script, try reading through the MPDN thread, so you get an idea of how to use it. You can configure different render scripts and use commands, such as Alt+Numpad1 to activate one render script and Alt+Numpad2 to activate another (I haven't done this myself, but I believe the feature is there).

I haven't tried "The Theory of Everything", but for me the differences are visible and clear in many videos. Again I don't expect everyone to achieve the same results, and I cannot answer all the questions regarding MPDN, so I'll see if Zachs can comment here regarding MPDN Issues (I have to ask him), BUT have you selected DirectX 11 Presentation API? Because that's what decreases the amount of artifacts for me (using the exact same SVP  settings).

You have to fiddle around with the settings and the render-scripts, I haven't written a guide for that yet, UNI started for me, so I'll be busy and probably need some time to write a MPDN Guide (no promises if I will, but I plan to in the future).

Stick to whichever player you find best, I used MPC+Madvr for a long time (as well as many other players along the way with many different settings over the last few years), but for the last few months I've been using MPDN, and I have seen it improve week after week.

144 / 24 = 6x

Blackfyre
This's very simple process - SVP is making frames and video player is renedering them.
There're no options for video player to reduce artifacts created by SVP other than
a) drop some (intermidiate) frames
b) blend frames

If you set 4x in SVP then MPDN probably blends each ~2 frames so it may (or may not) look like fewer artifacts.

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BTW I tried MPDN about 3 month ago and I wasn't impressed at all