all the math (with any artifacts) are inside RIFE itself, Vapoursynth or Avisynth just runs it
Honest question , Do you mean every version use this math in the exact way? Because I test 10 movies of my collection and look better than before.
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all the math (with any artifacts) are inside RIFE itself, Vapoursynth or Avisynth just runs it
Honest question , Do you mean every version use this math in the exact way? Because I test 10 movies of my collection and look better than before.
Drakko01 wrote:dawkinscm wrote:I've been thinking about upgrading Vapoursynth for a while now. What are the benefits you are seeing?
I always speak on what i see, never in technical aspect that not know. and maybe before I broke something for manual changes i made.
but after replace the files the playback was different and I prefer so.What do you see?
I say this figuratively; I'm not referring to timing or any technical aspect. If I notice a visual improvement, I consider it a win. In the latest svp update, or perhaps because of my own fault, I see a lot of image errors, like in the early days of Rife; with R72, I notice less obvious or almost disappeared.
To be honest I don't wanna change anything to test if really has to be for the vapoursynth or just pure coincidence.
Drakko01 wrote:Hi, for those interesting , I'm give a run to the new pre-release vapoursynth R72-RC1 and a like the results , for all those that tell me there no benefit, blabla. All the times that I been saying that its good to update this, and Svp developers sooner or later give us the update, when its a latest version.
I've been thinking about upgrading Vapoursynth for a while now. What are the benefits you are seeing?
I always speak on what i see, never in technical aspect that not know. and maybe before I broke something for manual changes i made.
but after replace the files the playback was different and I prefer so.
Chainik wrote:
upgrading Vapoursynth is like upgrading VC++ redists
i.e. absolutely pointless big_smileI think upgrading VC++ redists can break stuff if the old redist is replaced since the libraries are not backwards compatible. smile
So tell me why Svp installer dont use and R64 version.
Hi, for those interesting , I'm give a run to the new pre-release vapoursynth R72-RC1 and a like the results , for all those that tell me there no benefit, blabla. All the times that I been saying that its good to update this, and Svp developers sooner or later give us the update, when its a latest version.
Hi someone are updated to Vapoursynth R71 https://github.com/vapoursynth/vapoursynth/releases, before Chainik roll the update of R70 i got it work by myself , but i cant remember how I did it.
I will like to test the R71, so if anyone have some advice to make it work i really appreciated the reply.
If Chainik could rollout an update via maintenance application even better
My installation is fine. Don't just say things. I have tried many times across many installations across mutiple OS installations. There is not much to it. It just doesn't work.
The moment i turn on RIFE. the video freezes. I see some text in CMD. and then soon enough no more new text, and just left with freezing video. or a video that just plays extremely slow at 0.1 fps
It's a garbage feature honestly. If in 2 years it can't even work once normally. I wish it did though, because im curious why everyone is on this.
And I really don't get how it is "working" for others. But yeah for me Big nope
Ok, fair enough, I said your installation broke/change or missing something and maybe isn't , if you are 100% sure that your installation is ok, I would try find what's causing the problem outside the program, this entire thread has been using rife with many different setups since been implemented and came across with a variety of problems, some so inexplicable that none can reproduced to check.
I don't say just this to discredit you , quite the opposite. Your exact problem happened to me (don't recall exactly the reason but I will look for it ,to try help you).
One time a windows update broke Svp for me, bang my head try to fixed and the next windows update fix it, in other a bad driver from NVidia make my playback choppy.
I say sincerely, the majority here try to help , like all forum you may find useless post only to brag or talk his absolute truth.
Can you do something like this maybe we can sorted out the problem https://imgur.com/a/VHVCvBZ and one more thing in the path that the builder say the engine file its created , can you check if its actually saved or not
noctis4329 wrote:reconhell wrote:Everytime i try to use rife it shows a CMD prompt. and it loads for a very long itme but my video never plays. This hasn't changed in 2 years. not with my rtx 4090 and rtx 5090. i dont get where you guys use this for... seems totally useless im sorry.
long time? i wait only 1 minute for the first time i use a new model for a new resolution.
I can wait however long but it aint changing anything
The problem its that something broke/change or missing in your installation, its not how Rife behave. Like noctis4329 and RickyAstle98 mentioned, the cmd its a normal action and take 1 minute then save and play , next time for that same resolution its not triggered
And for many of us , not using Rife isn't a option.
Well, you prefer less compatible video player, my 180Hz GSync monitor works great, no matter what multipliers, targets being set!
I dont recomend RIFE x2.5 (24>60) then LSFG x2 because you will see scene transitions more often, since one half the frame being reprojected twice!About TV VRR window, man thats just TV without LFC/SFD algorithms, which means LSFG will capture frames with JIT delays!
Anyway thanks for your testing, prefer RIFE x3 too, dont see any obvious for GPU cook, since LSFG paired w/RIFE frames allows super high refresh rate conversions with tiny amount of difference!About tiny amount of difference, of course LSFG is bad from 24FPS conversion, but from RIFEd 48/72 - works/looks 4 times better!
I understand what you saying and I don't refute that a 180hz Gsync monitor can do much better than my tv at any multipliers. But I don't have monitors in my setup.
About Rife x2.5 I concur . whit the settings you suggested i try Rife x2+Lsfg 120hz and Rife x3 Lsfg 120hz
And for a more compatible video player. MPV for me is exactly the opposite, very jerky and stuttering playback .Maybe I change something and made mpv works like that. I really don't know.
If you have a way and time to tested mpv on a similar tv. Your recommendations will be appreciated.
Thanks RickyAstle98/flowreen91 for your recommendations. Its none of that, the app capture fine the frames , enable Draw FPS its the first I do at the start of testing and its ok.
Close overlays like Steam, Discord, NVIDIA, I never test something with overlays open!
I don't use Mpv, don't liked
The source problem, as I mentioned its hardware related, I think the tv accept better via Gsync compatible and VRR the 72fps or 96 fps of rife x3 and x4, the settings of the picture giving by RickyAstle98 give similar result but still I prefer Rife x3 /x4
I'm using windows 11 24h2 , mpcvr testing version, not the vapoursynth of svp, many variables to tweak and try
But again thanks both, I really enjoy testing others option to improve my viewing experience, and some many time through time rewatching movies or clip I remember how we started and how far we've come today.
Many time thanks to this thread
Any combination I try with LSFG +Rife its not given me better viewing experiences that Rife x3 or x4 on my tv, maybe I doing something wrong or some setting/program or parameter in my config its interfering.
Drakko01 wrote:Yeah I know, but i dont wanna pay for lsfg
You can test it with SVP without actually buying it from Steam lol
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ … tD8HzyIQ_e
Ok thanks for that! Now any recommendations on settings
the hardware that I have its the following
I5 13600K
Rtx 4070 ti super
Display Samsung tv Qn85B @120fps/gsync compatible
Player Mpc-be/mpc vr
Thanks in advance
[I tested RIFE x2 + LSFG 180FPS target (LSFG was updated and can generate frames without exact multipliers with consistent framepacing)!
LSFG from RIFE frames 48>180 looks almost the same as RIFE 24x7 and uses 6 times less resources!
Yeah I know, but i dont wanna pay for lsfg
Drakko01 wrote:Hi! I recommend those who wanna experiment, the new release https://github.com/AmusementClub/vs-mlrt/releases? for me work really well , not much as performance freak, but I KINDA improve image for me or maybe placebo effect.
Actually watching 15.9 footages, I see something changed too, anyways thats 50% placebo!
For performance freaks: 15.9 library - 1.2% performance drop!
Thanks for your testing! I mentioned am not a performance guy, because i'm more interesting of less errors and more quality, i take less performance for better quality anytime, a compromise that many of us do with a newer rife models, but anyways , im think there is some difference, less microstutters, more stable image, i can't quite figured out what exactly or if 15.9 its the reason,and honestly i dont wanna touch anything because a like the way it works now!
Hi! I recommend those who wanna experiment, the new release https://github.com/AmusementClub/vs-mlrt/releases? for me work really well , not much as performance freak, but I KINDA improve image for me or maybe placebo effect.
In the meantime, I'd like to revert to the previous version but I can't find anywhere I can do that.
I think chainik can help you with that , but for future updates a good advice its copy the entire SVP folder as a backup.
Working properly and better than before, thanks!
Hi, someone knows what change on the Rife 4.0-2 that we receive in the SVP maintenance app ?
Chainik wrote:> Install VapourSynth R70
yeah, great! but why?
To pass time with placebos until you come up with a new real improvement?
Chainik wrote:everyone following these guides must understand clearly that this will improve absolutely NOTHING
Wasn't so sure about that, but no harm in testing when reverting the change is as easy as copying back a 200MB folder...
Adding to that , and don't even know if it has something to do but a weird thing happen. My display its a samsung tv that it has compatible Gsync and VRR that never engage on playback, odd as it sounds now on MPC Be for some reason sometimes engage VRR and you see a indiscutible improvement on playback.
No much activity on this thread, well here my to cents
For those using Mpc BE/ mpc vr, try the nightly versions and let me know what you think.
Since I did not receive any response on how to update vapoursynth R70.... I had to do it on my own, the good thing is that it improved after updating, the bad thing is that I updated everything
v15.7: latest TensorRT libraries
https://github.com/AmusementClub/vs-mlrt/releases?
Vapoursynth R70
-https://github.com/vapoursynth/vapoursynth/releases
MPC-BE.1.8.2.24
-https://github.com/qwerttvv/Player/rele … taller.zip
MpcVideoRenderer-0.9.0.2328
-https://github.com/qwerttvv/Player/rele … fec66c.zipand i don't know what do the trick
The only thing this broke its the image comparison option when its selected i got this error,
21:33:10.283 [E]: Playback [75ced45f]: VS - Python exception: There is no attribute or namespace named misc
for contex disable,svp mv,nvof mv,works ok.
Any ideas how to fixed, so image comparison also work.
Since I did not receive any response on how to update vapoursynth R70.... I had to do it on my own, the good thing is that it improved after updating, the bad thing is that I updated everything
v15.7: latest TensorRT libraries
https://github.com/AmusementClub/vs-mlrt/releases?
Vapoursynth R70
-https://github.com/vapoursynth/vapoursynth/releases
MPC-BE.1.8.2.24
-https://github.com/qwerttvv/Player/rele … taller.zip
MpcVideoRenderer-0.9.0.2328
-https://github.com/qwerttvv/Player/rele … fec66c.zip
and i don't know what do the trick
i see that it is using "vapoursynth filter 1.4.7 #svp with vapoursynth r64", but we're at R70 ( https://github.com/vapoursynth/vapoursynth/releases ), maybe you could look if it could be updated ?
I do too add to the request for the update!
If someone knows how do it manually, and can provide a step by step is also welcome too.
Any special parameter or script to use 4.25 heavy with rife and get more smoothness?
A couple of things
- Hardware?
- Player?
- Display?
I use Mpc-Be/MpcVr, if the player is mpv, you want a response of one of this members: dawkinscm / Blackfyre/ flowreen91.
For many of us 4.26 branch are the worst, as flowreen91 say have something broke, despite the be the latest, I think here we concur that the best one are 4.18/4.25 and V2 models of those. My personal preference is 4.25.
Thoughts on this?, for the devs exist the possibility to consider implementing at least one of this other models, i think many of us that use Rife will really appreciated. Thanks
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