151 Reply by flowreen91

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SHTH34D wrote:

The command prompt also says resolution of 3840x2400 when I'm running at 3800x2160. I looked for a way to change that setting but I haven't found it anywhere.

https://gyazo.com/0128486aa19a32c7a565693fb0e84234

SHTH34D wrote:

I'm using MPC-HC with Vapousynth as that is what was recommended on the SVP instructions and by Chanik to me here in the forum for DV at 4k HDR.

Consider exploring MPV as an alternative.
In my experiments, I found that while MPC-HC struggles, MPV seamlessly drops frames and continues.
Additionally, aloola's analysis suggests that newer models demand more from your system, yet they offer substantial enhancements in interpolation. MPV supports the addition of shaders which can significantly improve image quality and sharpness. A clever workaround involves resizing a 4K image to 1080p for swift interpolation with RIFE on newer models, and then applying shaders to emulate the appearance of the original 4K quality.
Although the result won't exactly match the original source, it ensures a smooth viewing experience. Moreover, your RTX 4090 will handle it effortlessly, as upscaling is far less resource-intensive than interpolating a 4K HDR10 image.
Feel free to experiment with these techniques yourself:
MPV upscaling config: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ … MSSZq0jJGj

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152 Reply by flowreen91

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badhomaks wrote:

The video at least seems to run.

Good to know u fixed it.
Always try to run RIFE with "Performance Boost" Enabled so it will reuse the generated cache file. They probably improved something and it takes less and less time to generate.
Never use the ensemble onnx cause it takes an overwhelming amount of processing power compared to the others.

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153 Reply by flowreen91

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Try latest RIFE 4.15 too because

dawkinscm wrote:

It is a clear improvement over previous models for reducing double images in fast movement.

SVP allows u to fill the gaps between their source frames

Sagan wrote:

For example, Work It Out, Wombats has the characters animate at ~15fps and the video is rendered at 30fps.

but if the animators were cost cutting trolls then not even AI will be able to smooth out their trash animations.

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154 Reply by flowreen91

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badhomaks wrote:

Internal Error (input: for dimension number 1 in profile 0 does not match network definition (got min=11, opt=11, max=11), expected min=opt=max=7).)

https://www.svp-team.com/forum/viewtopi … 125#p84125
https://www.svp-team.com/forum/viewtopi … 126#p84126

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155 Reply by flowreen91

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SHTH34D wrote:

I was having the stuttering performance at 50fps, but only 70% GPU usage at x2 (48fps). I have been using 4.9 but will look into 4.15.

I'm getting smooth 300 fps with these settings.
https://gyazo.com/a457e8297485eba27e2596f21d08c399
Try to play around with resize maybe?
https://www.svp-team.com/wiki/Manual:All_settings

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156 Reply by flowreen91

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Olombo wrote:

Still no improvement in mpv/mpc.

In a certain scenario on laptops, they might be run by default by the wrong GPU.
You can make sure they are correctly run by your 4090 by going to Windows -> Graphics Settings and selecting the correct GPU:
https://gyazo.com/0b3743c4a935c491ea4b4ffaae2f8580
For best RIFE performance according to @aloola's data, try to play around with Nvidia TensorRT and the 4.6 version:
https://gyazo.com/2a635348c44e379ccaca0520c0f3c6a2
First time i'm hearing that a 4090 is bottlenecked by an old CPU. xD

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157 Reply by flowreen91

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reconhell wrote:

Btw. if I turn off RTX video HDR in MPC-videorenderer settings, it will stop working

Glad u fixed it. Don't know, please show an image of this setting.
The Nvidia Filters basically apply the selected shaders on top of your image. So if u would have an HDR video and u would accidentally leave RTX HDR ON at the same time, you will see a badly colored video. Disable RTX HDR when playing HDR source videos.

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158 Reply by flowreen91

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reconhell wrote:

Problem is the app is not recognised by the beta app for filter. after following instructions.

Yes, the beta app is glitchy. Try restarting PC with only the HDR monitor connected.
Also make sure you have mpc hc at Manage 3D -> Programs settings added.
https://gyazo.com/40cc150b9b1775d1f506c8af0fddfa93
If still fails follow all steps from description tab from here https://www.nexusmods.com/site/mods/781
If still fails download TrueHDRTweaks from same link, put it in the mpc hc folder and forcefully set the settings that u want, without ever actually using the nvidia overlay.

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159 Reply by flowreen91

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reconhell wrote:

I use automatic so...
Why you think the ahsoka artefacts cant be fixed?

Can't reproduce the subtitles drastic movement on automatic on my system. Really curious if anyone else sees the same effect.
On that Ahsoka scene, a ship surrounded by clouds, flying through clouds with fast speed makes AI hard to predict the actual motion, i guess. I might be wrong here.

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160 Reply by flowreen91

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Record the anomaly and maybe people can reproduce if you provide them the same video you're watching.
Also an image of SVP configuration when u catch it. (something like this https://gyazo.com/1e6a09506e0c3ac249c4831a622654e7 )

From what i see, on older RIFE versions like 4.6 if your video has the subtitle burned in (you can't disable the subtitle) then it will try to apply the motion of the stuff behind it and accidentally wiggle the text.
This text wiggle disappears if the subtitle is on top of the interpolated video, or if you're using newer RIFE versions.

The Ahsoka artifacts don't think they can be fixed, but latest RIFE versions help a bit. xD

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161 Reply by flowreen91

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framo wrote:

im using ncnn/vulkan and theres no drop down menu for me, am i doing sthg wrong?
i downloaded the v4.14 model

For non Nvidia users, they can't use the Nvidia Tensor RT RIFE .onnx model files from here:
https://github.com/AmusementClub/vs-mlrt/releases
But i think they can play around with other ncnn/vulkan versions by downloading them from here:
https://github.com/TNTwise/rife-ncnn-vu … g/20240218
and replacing these two files:
"C:\Program Files (x86)\SVP 4\rife\rife-v4\flownet.bin"
"C:\Program Files (x86)\SVP 4\rife\rife-v4\flownet.param"

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162 Reply by flowreen91

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yongbin wrote:

but I do not have the Engine option.

Probably you have to install it separately by right clicking the SVP icon in taskbar and going to "Utilities" -> "Additional programs and features..."
https://gyazo.com/e2d77e20209ce646d4008edca0ef854a
Then click next, click the checkbox of "RIFE Interpolation engine" then click next again.
https://gyazo.com/6eb9f3ce78489d34e70639b47747b252
Once it gets downloaded you should be able to select that option.
Overall it should interpolate much better than "Automatic" mode, but it's more performance hungry.

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163 Reply by flowreen91

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dawkinscm wrote:

For SVP I use Rife. I also use interpolation with some motion blur.

What i imagine when people enable interpolation from mpv config on top of the movie already being fully interpolated by RIFE:
https://gyazo.com/8ce62ce348609112c567448cb406a223

dawkinscm wrote:

I pretty much have a fixed mpv/SVP configuration for VR.

Please share your mpv.conf solution, other VR users might be interested.

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164 Reply by flowreen91

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oriento wrote:

When i tried rife 4.14 v2 (i just copied the onnx file)

To use the v2 versions you must not put them inside the v1 folder.
It should look something like this file structure:
The parent folder "C:\Program Files (x86)\SVP 4\rife\models\":
https://gyazo.com/5a4401fd17ff3d1f009120a5db754c2b
The v2 only folder:
"C:\Program Files (x86)\SVP 4\rife\models\rife_v2\"
https://gyazo.com/d7ec471252d535602bc4ece31bfaee27
The v1 only folder:
"C:\Program Files (x86)\SVP 4\rife\models\rife\"
https://gyazo.com/f2a125fec5f6a18e7e3eef28e1f85999
If done correctly, restart SVP and then you should be able to see selectable AI models with (v2) in their name like this:
https://gyazo.com/9d6d1360852e8e92f834425e69803cb0

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165 Reply by flowreen91

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dawkinscm wrote:

but it still has issues with horizontal slow pans.

If i'm using the mpv setting "video-sync=display-resample" this scene has massive stutters:
https://youtu.be/jZvFEtR8RH0?si=59TEOOJ … m&t=18
We should either use "video-sync=audio" like Blackfyre's configs or nothing at all.

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166 Reply by flowreen91

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Kadet89 wrote:

I'm going to buy a laptop with RTX40XX and plan to use it for RIFE.
What graphics would it take for these to work on the fly?

Testing on a RTX4080 mobile, trying only the fastest RIFE version which is 4.6 (v2) i'm getting following results for SVP with MPV without visible frame drops:
> 1080/24 -> 144 fps OK
> 1080/24 -> 240 fps OK if we resize to 0.75% of 1080p resolution by using resize -14400810
https://gyazo.com/dec005728711e6dd84f814390f505506

> 4k/24 -> 48 fps OK
> 4k/24 -> 60 fps OK if we resize to 0.75% of 4k resolution by using resize -28801620
https://gyazo.com/4e45b4401ca114cdad6f57921566223b

All other RIFE versions older/newer than 4.6 (v2) have higher GPU requirements.
Noticed no performance difference between a Dolby Vision HDR file and an average non HDR file.
Really curious if anyone around here can test the limits of a 4090. big_smile

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167 Reply by flowreen91

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Now that Nvidia launched the Nvidia App on latest update that turns SDR games into HDR:
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/software/nvidia-app/
did people started playing around with the RTX HDR & RTX Dynamic Vibrance to watch their non-HDR videos with it ?
You can easily enable it on your video player by drag and dropping it in the NvTrueHDR app:
https://www.nexusmods.com/site/mods/781
https://i.ibb.co/8BZJvMT/Desktop-Screenshot.png

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168 Reply by flowreen91

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issusi wrote:

Change the last setting, "Duplicate frames removal" to "Do not remove" and try playing it.

I had a similar experience.

You're right! It significantly impacts the performance. I wonder why this option is even available, as it could easily confuse newcomers who might accidentally activate it.

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169 Reply by flowreen91

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fabian5003 wrote:

I don't know what to do here.

Fabian try to play around with the resize setting until it works for your system:
https://gyazo.com/d2a3529fe06e8d5de601c7e64f99ca4e
https://www.svp-team.com/wiki/Manual:All_settings
And please tell us at what value it plays smoothly for u

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170 Reply by flowreen91

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framo wrote:

Im trying to achieve 1080p 60 fps. But im getting like 1-3 fps with this settings.

From gerappa's answer from here https://www.svp-team.com/forum/viewtopi … 954#p83954
it seems that all AMD users should rollback their drivers to AMD driver (v23.11.1) so they can still use 2 GPU threads for ncnn/vulkan, until AMD fix their drivers.

From what i checked on my 4080 RTX, ncnn/vulkan starts to become watchable at 60 fps on a resize value of -14400810 with 2 GPU threads, with more stable fps in mpv than MPC-HC.
https://gyazo.com/3adb99245de086ace7893a941fb36cb4
which means ncnn/vulkan is overall massively underperforming compared to the NVIDIA TensorRT neural engine.

I suggest to get used to downscaling it a bit. You can always return to the non-RIFE SVP interpolation if looks bad.
If any AMD users found other workarounds, please tell us.


framo wrote:

And what are your profile settings (without rife ai) for fluid 60fps with minimal artifacts? (i dont watch anime)

Movies settings:
https://www.svp-team.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=5624
Anime settings:
https://kokomins.wordpress.com/2019/10/ … -playback/

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171 Reply by flowreen91

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Blackfyre wrote:

It's banding and crushed blacks that are the issue.

Maybe Chainik is right.
Blackfyre can u please try to see if u can reproduce that exact scenario with:
RIFE disabled (normal interpolation) + SVP + MPV ? example: https://gyazo.com/8cedda0a3fe610f50810178b9e54da7b
How about
SVP (interpolation disabled) + MPV ? example: https://gyazo.com/21658ebad006e2bcf284a73e168be62e
How about
SVP fully closed + direct MPV launch ? example: https://gyazo.com/049c2643d14b0087b9c6354f7da73815
Would be nice to know that it's MPV fault cause of random decoders configurations and leave it at that xD

RickyAstle98 wrote:

Also I dont see need for RIFE+SVP content, because Lossless Scaling program updated to DXGI frame generation that only doubles framerate, VRR breaks, but its working, I do SVP to 82FPS and then enable LSFG and now I have 164FPS

RickyAstle98 I just tried the Lossless Scaling LSFG frame generation combined with MPV capped at 120 fps and i'm seeing major pixels wiggling issues.
It's like it tries to ununiformly speed up patches of screen, giving you an uneven movement like waves.
It looks like an abomination on this test scene: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ … drive_link
My suggestion would be to use the SVP resize parameter to resize video to a lower resolution until you hit the spot where your system can handle RIFE at "164 fps without dropping frames, issues, flickering, bla bla bla bla bla..."
That way SVP will fully control the scene movement at all times.

If you use Lossless Scaling app for the upscaling, i compared performance between using Lossless Scaling app with Nvidia Image Scaling ON and MPV with Nvidia Image Scaling shader and using the app was much slower.
You can add yourself the Nvidia Image Scaling shader by following the instructions here and compare the performance differences: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ … sp=sharing

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172 Reply by flowreen91

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Blackfyre wrote:

Pictures look exaggerated

Nice issue, can you please link us where we can find this specific scene so we can test it too?

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173 Reply by flowreen91

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If an issue is too hard to diagnose and you run out of ideas, try fresh SVP reinstall and check if it still persists.
https://gyazo.com/3d9f8b056dd122aacc4584890220b7cc

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174 Reply by flowreen91

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Xenocyde wrote:

Alrighty, guess I'll stick to MPV, but I'll need to figure out downscaling cuz no current GPU can manage 4K@120 from what I read.

Did you try the frc.frame.resize SVP application setting?

Questions for the guys that have more experience with upscaling:

Does increasing frc.frame.resize to 4K count as upscaling?
Does using madVR 4K upscaling filter as Gippy mentioned have a similar effect as Lossless Scaling's "Anime4K" filter?
Does using using madVR 4K / Anime4K filter on max settings give a less blurry image compared to Nvidia Image Scaling filter?
Which of them on max settings require less resources?
Which of them you would preffer and why?

I've played recently with the Lossless Scaling Steam application that can upscale everything and enjoyed a lot this Nvidia Image Scaling sharpness 10 filter:
https://gyazo.com/10533c577f69f9e7a2072856e8b5a54e
From my comparison i can't see differences between original image and Anime4K, but the Nvidia Image Scaling gives a much clear image:
Original: https://gyazo.com/f9aa57138e57d7fdb131b1f6581fdaea
Anime4K: https://gyazo.com/b4d4c18a104b3c6793996be377215e6c
Nvidia Image Scaling: https://gyazo.com/f7af1a0e05c8307d8966ec2c2082a97d
You can compare yourself by getting the Lossless Scaling app from Steam or piratebay or unzip it from here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ … drive_link

Thanks!

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175 Reply by flowreen91

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From my experience your eyes cannot see any difference between a 60 and a 60.02 video.
It takes a bit more processing power if you tell it to interpolate to your fixed frame rate monitor refresh rate of 60.02 compared to allowing it to do the rounding to 60.
I think this is caused by SVP doing less work when you just ask it to double/triple the video's frame rate.
For max smoothness just select the maximum option which is 240 fps, cause it ends up smoother even if your monitor cannot display it properly cause of the limitations.

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