1 Topic by Timbertoon (edited by Timbertoon 07-10-2025 15:09:38)

Topic: SVP with Videoprocessor?

Fair warning, I know just enough to be dangerous.  If any of my thoughts / ideas are wrong, let me know.  I have no belief I understand this topic particularly well. 

I have a projector in our media room, so I've been using a capture card, videoprocessor (a software application from videoprocessor.org), and madvr for hdr to sdr tonemapping.  I've been really happy with the results and was curious if SVP could help smooth out the frame rate.  I've seen references to... I think it was MPV video renderer maybe?  I believe there is some criticism that madvr may use a ton of extra processor that either doesn't yield significantly better results or better methods now exist to achieve that tone mapping. 

Essentially I'd like to know if I can use videoprocessor (which has a dropdown to select any directshow video renderer) and select... SVP maybe?  And then is there a way to tie in something like MPV in place of madvr to get smooth frames combined with great tone mapping?  I'd like to avoid having to change HDR (which I'm doing by mapping everything to sdr) and frame rate "bonks" on the projector as it takes 4 - 8 seconds to resync the HDMI signal.  I also use the black bar detection to zoom video to my cinemascope screen. 

Is there a way to do what I'm wanting to do?  Because I use videoprocessor, I've installed the SVP application, but I don't know where to go from there.  I don't see "SVP" in the video renderers, but I did notice... was it MPC Video Renderer show up?  Which I believe was installed alongside SVP. 

I apologize for these questions.  I have madvr setup and working well.  Just curious if there are some other options to maximize the viewing experience and potentially have buttery smooth frames for movies. 

Thank you for your help!

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Re: SVP with Videoprocessor?

Timbertoon wrote:

Fair warning, I know just enough to be dangerous.  If any of my thoughts / ideas are wrong, let me know.  I have no belief I understand this topic particularly well. 

I have a projector in our media room, so I've been using a capture card, videoprocessor (a software application from videoprocessor.org), and madvr for hdr to sdr tonemapping.  I've been really happy with the results and was curious if SVP could help smooth out the frame rate.  I've seen references to... I think it was MPV video renderer maybe?  I believe there is some criticism that madvr may use a ton of extra processor that either doesn't yield significantly better results or better methods now exist to achieve that tone mapping. 

Essentially I'd like to know if I can use videoprocessor (which has a dropdown to select any directshow video renderer) and select... SVP maybe?  And then is there a way to tie in something like MPV in place of madvr to get smooth frames combined with great tone mapping?  I'd like to avoid having to change HDR (which I'm doing by mapping everything to sdr) and frame rate "bonks" on the projector as it takes 4 - 8 seconds to resync the HDMI signal.  I also use the black bar detection to zoom video to my cinemascope screen. 

Is there a way to do what I'm wanting to do?  Because I use videoprocessor, I've installed the SVP application, but I don't know where to go from there.  I don't see "SVP" in the video renderers, but I did notice... was it MPC Video Renderer show up?  Which I believe was installed alongside SVP. 

I apologize for these questions.  I have madvr setup and working well.  Just curious if there are some other options to maximize the viewing experience and potentially have buttery smooth frames for movies. 

Thank you for your help!

Hi,

Do you have ffdshow installed?

If so, does it get used within the videoprocessor program when displaying the video?

If so, then svp can detect that and work.

SVP isn't a video renderer so that will not work as being selectable as a video renderer in the videoprocessor program.

You can also try LSFG from steam if you want to pay a few dollars for it.

3 Reply by dawkinscm (edited by dawkinscm 10-10-2025 09:55:30)

Re: SVP with Videoprocessor?

Timbertoon wrote:

Fair warning, I know just enough to be dangerous.  If any of my thoughts / ideas are wrong, let me know.  I have no belief I understand this topic particularly well. 

I have a projector in our media room, so I've been using a capture card, videoprocessor (a software application from videoprocessor.org), and madvr for hdr to sdr tonemapping.  I've been really happy with the results and was curious if SVP could help smooth out the frame rate.  I've seen references to... I think it was MPV video renderer maybe?  I believe there is some criticism that madvr may use a ton of extra processor that either doesn't yield significantly better results or better methods now exist to achieve that tone mapping. 

Essentially I'd like to know if I can use videoprocessor (which has a dropdown to select any directshow video renderer) and select... SVP maybe?  And then is there a way to tie in something like MPV in place of madvr to get smooth frames combined with great tone mapping?  I'd like to avoid having to change HDR (which I'm doing by mapping everything to sdr) and frame rate "bonks" on the projector as it takes 4 - 8 seconds to resync the HDMI signal.  I also use the black bar detection to zoom video to my cinemascope screen. 

Is there a way to do what I'm wanting to do?  Because I use videoprocessor, I've installed the SVP application, but I don't know where to go from there.  I don't see "SVP" in the video renderers, but I did notice... was it MPC Video Renderer show up?  Which I believe was installed alongside SVP. 

I apologize for these questions.  I have madvr setup and working well.  Just curious if there are some other options to maximize the viewing experience and potentially have buttery smooth frames for movies. 

Thank you for your help!

I can't talk about your specific setup. But in general, MPV can do more picture pre and post processing than MadVR, better than MadVR, much more efficiently than MadVR. But if you are only interested in the HDR tone-mapping then MadVR should be fine and you can ignore my comments below.

Although there are MPV GUI front end options available, MPV is best configured using text based configuration files. Even with the GUI, more advanced MPV configuration requires some patience to gain the knowledge. My advice is to stick with the default MPV configuration that comes with SVP. It's not perfect but it works and is not filled with useless bloat.The other big issue related to my recommendation is that there are lots of MPV "meme configurations" on the Internet which include mostly useless or outdated commands and recommendations.

Re: SVP with Videoprocessor?

I really appreciate this. 

So I ran into issues and kind of gave up the other night out of frustration.  I got jriver setup to passthrough the capture card to the screen.  I tried jriver default processor, and tried connecting it to SVP using the post processing filter avisynth.  BUT... every single time I tried to click properties, jriver would crash.  I assume I should be able to click on the properties button inside jriver and have something pop up with avisynth?  And any video I tried to play via capture card to svp, svp always showed no video playing.  I did get svp to register a video was playing out of MPC HC, but it never got ANY changes in the displayed video / processor load beyond SVP recognizing a video was playing, showing a 1.0 ... something in the performance graph. 

I feel like I have a wonderfully working madvr setup, albeit, extremely high GPU usage and the typical low framerate.  I'm really frustrated I've been unable to make SVP function.  I've tried reinstalling, etc.

5 Reply by dawkinscm (edited by dawkinscm 10-10-2025 21:14:29)

Re: SVP with Videoprocessor?

Timbertoon wrote:

I really appreciate this. 

So I ran into issues and kind of gave up the other night out of frustration.  I got jriver setup to passthrough the capture card to the screen.  I tried jriver default processor, and tried connecting it to SVP using the post processing filter avisynth.  BUT... every single time I tried to click properties, jriver would crash.  I assume I should be able to click on the properties button inside jriver and have something pop up with avisynth?  And any video I tried to play via capture card to svp, svp always showed no video playing.  I did get svp to register a video was playing out of MPC HC, but it never got ANY changes in the displayed video / processor load beyond SVP recognizing a video was playing, showing a 1.0 ... something in the performance graph. 

I feel like I have a wonderfully working madvr setup, albeit, extremely high GPU usage and the typical low framerate.  I'm really frustrated I've been unable to make SVP function.  I've tried reinstalling, etc.

Did you check the JRiver SVP manual page? https://www.svp-team.com/wiki/SVP:JRiver_Media_Center

Also depending on resolution and GPU, if you already have extremely high GPU usage then SVP will work best with standard the Automatic video profile and not anything more advance.