1,151 Reply by dawkinscm (edited by dawkinscm 13-01-2024 11:56:39)

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flowreen91 wrote:

Current default SVP installation has 4.6/4.9 v1 models which means average user never saw this jiggling issue.
In the future when SVP devs will want to add the v2 models they will surely update the default old TensorRT libraries too so your average user will never see this issue.

Until then we should follow @cws guide on how to update our own TensorRT library from https://github.com/AmusementClub/vs-mlrt/releases if we want to play around with latest RIFE models:

cws wrote:

Right, TensorRT 9.x is in "beta" and not officially released. Still, v13 was released when TensorRT 8.5 was the latest version, when there is a new release of TensorRT 8.x (which is 8.6.)

There may be fixes and enhancements in the latest v14 releases which is not in v13. If you're willing to help test, I would try downloading https://github.com/AmusementClub/vs-mlr … 4.test2.7z and unzipping 

vstrt.dll

and the folder 

vsmlrt-cuda

into 

C:\Program Files (x86)\SVP 4\rife

If true then this is not so much a vsmlrt fix as it is a Cuda/TensorRT fix. I think the last time I tried this my Tensor libraries weren't updated but I might use the info above and try again.

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flowreen91 wrote:

There may be fixes and enhancements in the latest v14 releases which is not in v13. If you're willing to help test, I would try downloading https://github.com/AmusementClub/vs-mlr … 4.test2.7z and unzipping 

vstrt.dll

and the folder 

vsmlrt-cuda

into 

C:\Program Files (x86)\SVP 4\rife

I've updated and I don't see any obvious differences. But I have thought about updating for the latest fixes to TensorRT and Cuda so thanks smile

1,153 Reply by aloola

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RickyAstle98 wrote:

Sometimes force exact value prevent RIFE working, with new models too (mpv_cfr argument can also kick RIFE from workload) but I only use X factors because I have GSync monitor tech, I have smoothness all the time!
Force exact value = issues
Fixed frame rate = issues
Frame rate factor = no issues

are you using the newest vsmlrt.py?
then it won't work with fraction numbers.
https://github.com/AmusementClub/vs-mlr … 1847153063

1,154 Reply by RickyAstle98 (edited by RickyAstle98 14-01-2024 10:04:40)

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aloola wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:

Sometimes force exact value prevent RIFE working, with new models too (mpv_cfr argument can also kick RIFE from workload) but I only use X factors because I have GSync monitor tech, I have smoothness all the time!
Force exact value = issues
Fixed frame rate = issues
Frame rate factor = no issues

are you using the newest vsmlrt.py?
then it won't work with fraction numbers.
https://github.com/AmusementClub/vs-mlr … 1847153063

It work with fraction numbers (issues as jiggling with these settings), nope, I didnt use newest .py but I already modify it myself!

1,155 Reply by dlr5668

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v14 runtime + 4.14 v2 is perfection. Really nice update

1,156 Reply by RickyAstle98 (edited by RickyAstle98 15-01-2024 11:12:43)

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dlr5668 wrote:

v14 runtime + 4.14 v2 is perfection. Really nice update

Without +10% performance boost and +5% quality - not really nice update at all
Then please upload your v14 runtime and all folders - I will test smile

1,157 Reply by dlr5668

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RickyAstle98 wrote:
dlr5668 wrote:

v14 runtime + 4.14 v2 is perfection. Really nice update

Without +10% performance boost and +5% quality - not really nice update at all
Then please upload your v14 runtime and all folders - I will test smile

Cant you repeat steps? Here we go https://www.playbook.com/s/vadash/MFTzy … 49DgFraywF

1,158 Reply by RickyAstle98 (edited by RickyAstle98 16-01-2024 11:59:21)

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dlr5668 wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:
dlr5668 wrote:

v14 runtime + 4.14 v2 is perfection. Really nice update

Without +10% performance boost and +5% quality - not really nice update at all
Then please upload your v14 runtime and all folders - I will test smile

Cant you repeat steps? Here we go https://www.playbook.com/s/vadash/MFTzy … 49DgFraywF

Thank you, but as I say there is no significant performance boost, but very fast timing cache building time, under 1 minute for any models!
HD 24>120 insta 150W usage RTX 4070 (4.14v2) quite loud hehe but works!
Anyway thank you for uploading whole SVP4 folder, appreciate!

1,159 Reply by dawkinscm (edited by dawkinscm 16-01-2024 15:21:12)

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So far v14.4 lite uses more GPU than the non lite version. I thought it was may be because of the changes I made but I reverted back to SVP standard configs and it's the same. Maybe there is an issue they need to fix.

Update:
It uses about the same amount of GPU resources but it works in a different way which makes it more dependant on memory bandwidth than GPU resources.  I've read up a little on the new methodology and it is interesting the result is that the "lite" version may not be as "lite" before.

1,160 Reply by RickyAstle98 (edited by RickyAstle98 16-01-2024 16:49:05)

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Re: New RIFE filter - 3x faster AI interpolation possible in SVP!!!

dawkinscm wrote:

So far v14.4 lite uses more GPU than the non lite version. I thought it was may be because of the changes I made but I reverted back to SVP standard configs and it's the same. Maybe there is an issue they need to fix.

Update:
It uses about the same amount of GPU resources but it works in a different way which makes it more dependant on memory bandwidth than GPU resources.  I've read up a little on the new methodology and it is interesting the result is that the "lite" version may not be as "lite" before.

IDK

1,161 Reply by aloola

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Output 8000 frames in 34.47 seconds (232.12 fps) 4.0
Output 8000 frames in 34.14 seconds (234.35 fps) 4.4
Output 8000 frames in 33.90 seconds (235.99 fps) 4.6
Output 8000 frames in 45.65 seconds (175.26 fps) 4.7
Output 8000 frames in 46.70 seconds (171.29 fps) 4.9
Output 8000 frames in 63.21 seconds (126.56 fps) 4.11
Output 8000 frames in 63.36 seconds (126.26 fps) 4.12
Output 8000 frames in 50.69 seconds (157.83 fps) 4.12 lite
Output 8000 frames in 63.61 seconds (125.76 fps) 4.13
Output 8000 frames in 50.31 seconds (159.01 fps) 4.13 lite
Output 8000 frames in 64.95 seconds (123.18 fps) 4.14
Output 8000 frames in 65.58 seconds (121.99 fps) 4.14 lite

4.14 lite is the most resource-heavy, dunno about the quality though.

1,162 Reply by RickyAstle98 (edited by RickyAstle98 16-01-2024 19:17:02)

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Re: New RIFE filter - 3x faster AI interpolation possible in SVP!!!

aloola wrote:

Output 8000 frames in 34.47 seconds (232.12 fps) 4.0
Output 8000 frames in 34.14 seconds (234.35 fps) 4.4
Output 8000 frames in 33.90 seconds (235.99 fps) 4.6
Output 8000 frames in 45.65 seconds (175.26 fps) 4.7
Output 8000 frames in 46.70 seconds (171.29 fps) 4.9
Output 8000 frames in 63.21 seconds (126.56 fps) 4.11
Output 8000 frames in 63.36 seconds (126.26 fps) 4.12
Output 8000 frames in 50.69 seconds (157.83 fps) 4.12 lite
Output 8000 frames in 63.61 seconds (125.76 fps) 4.13
Output 8000 frames in 50.31 seconds (159.01 fps) 4.13 lite
Output 8000 frames in 64.95 seconds (123.18 fps) 4.14
Output 8000 frames in 65.58 seconds (121.99 fps) 4.14 lite

4.14 lite is the most resource-heavy, dunno about the quality though.

RTX 4070 output 2880 frames 1280x736opt TRT 9.1
60>120 ~304fps (4.4v2)
60>120 ~284fps (4.6v2)
60>120 ~260fps (4.7v2)
60>120 ~250fps (4.9v2)
60>120 ~210fps (4.12v2)
60>120 ~200fps (4.14v2)

1,163 Reply by dawkinscm (edited by dawkinscm 16-01-2024 22:28:30)

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Re: New RIFE filter - 3x faster AI interpolation possible in SVP!!!

The new technique used for the "lite" versions is potentially a little more accurate than the normal versions but I suspect that GPUs with low internal memory bandwidth will have issues with v14 "lite". I'm keeping it for now and will see what happens further down the line.

Edit:
The figures from @aloola and @RickyAstle98 show that this is a heavy model. But now everything has kind of bedded in, Rife v1.14 "lite" (v2) is using a little less GPU resources than before, down from 94-100% with Rife v1.14 to between 86-92% with "lite" while "so far" retaining the same quality as before. It's also very smooth. YMMV on GPUs with limited memory bandwidth.

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v1.14 v2 is the smoothest version of them all for me somehow but i have 2 questions. It gave a weird error while caching but is somehow working without doing that caching cmd again.2nd i don't see any improvement for gpu usage. İt's the same as v.14. Is it normal?

1,165 Reply by dawkinscm (edited by dawkinscm 17-01-2024 14:43:28)

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cemaydnlar wrote:

v1.14 v2 is the smoothest version of them all for me somehow...

v1.14 v2 is so smooth that I made sure to back everything up smile


cemaydnlar wrote:

It gave a weird error while caching but is somehow working without doing that caching cmd again.2nd i don't see any improvement for gpu usage. İt's the same as v.14. Is it normal?

If the messages come after the "profiling" statement then my understanding is that the warnings are part of the profiling process. As for the performance, that might depend on you GPU memory bandwidth. The Nvidia 3070Ti and above start at 600GB/s memory bandwidth. The 4070Ti has the same memory bandwidth as a 4080 at 700GB/s. But he older 3080 and 3090 series cards might perform better with 4.14 "lite" than the 4080 because of higher memory bandwidth. Below this class of card YMMV.

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dawkinscm wrote:
cemaydnlar wrote:

v1.14 v2 is the smoothest version of them all for me somehow...

v1.14 v2 is so smooth that I made sure to back everything up smile


cemaydnlar wrote:

It gave a weird error while caching but is somehow working without doing that caching cmd again.2nd i don't see any improvement for gpu usage. İt's the same as v.14. Is it normal?

If the messages come after the "profiling" statement then my understanding is that the warnings are part of the profiling process. As for the performance, that might depend on you GPU memory bandwidth. The Nvidia 3070Ti and above start at 600GB/s memory bandwidth. The 4070Ti has the same memory bandwidth as a 4080 at 700GB/s while the 3080 has even more than the 4080. Below these cards I don't know what the performance will be like with 4.14 "lite".

Talking about 4.14v2 model? Because you say 1.14 v2 too much, slightly confused...

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dawkinscm wrote:
cemaydnlar wrote:

v1.14 v2 is the smoothest version of them all for me somehow...

v1.14 v2 is so smooth that I made sure to back everything up smile


cemaydnlar wrote:

It gave a weird error while caching but is somehow working without doing that caching cmd again.2nd i don't see any improvement for gpu usage. İt's the same as v.14. Is it normal?

If the messages come after the "profiling" statement then my understanding is that the warnings are part of the profiling process. As for the performance, that might depend on you GPU memory bandwidth. The Nvidia 3070Ti and above start at 600GB/s memory bandwidth. The 4070Ti has the same memory bandwidth as a 4080 at 700GB/s. But he older 3080 and 3090 series cards might perform better with 4.14 "lite" than the 4080 because of higher memory bandwidth. Below this class of card YMMV.

I meant v1.14 lite v2 sorry big_smile i am using 3070. That might be the case i appreciate your answer bud thx.

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cemaydnlar wrote:

I meant v1.14 lite v2 sorry big_smile i am using 3070. That might be the case i appreciate your answer bud thx.

You mean 4.14 V2 lite.

1,169 Reply by dawkinscm (edited by dawkinscm 17-01-2024 18:07:18)

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cemaydnlar wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:
cemaydnlar wrote:

v1.14 v2 is the smoothest version of them all for me somehow...

v1.14 v2 is so smooth that I made sure to back everything up smile

I meant v1.14 lite v2 sorry big_smile i am using 3070. That might be the case i appreciate your answer bud thx.

It's OK. We were both talking about 1.14 lite v2 and it is very smooth smile

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Xenocyde wrote:
cemaydnlar wrote:

I meant v1.14 lite v2 sorry big_smile i am using 3070. That might be the case i appreciate your answer bud thx.

You mean 4.14 V2 lite.

Nope i mean suuuuuppppeeerrr smoooothhhhh v1.14 lite ultra omega bombastic wonder v2

1,171 Reply by RAGEdemon (edited by RAGEdemon 18-01-2024 03:20:53)

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Re: New RIFE filter - 3x faster AI interpolation possible in SVP!!!

Gentlemen,

Consistent reports are emerging regarding recent nvidia drivers causing stuttering in apps and games. It is related to the DPC latency.

Current advice is to roll back to 537.58 drivers (dated October 2023).

More info in the COMMENTS in this thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comment … iscussion/


I believe I have seen these stutters in SVP too. Rolling back to the recommended driver fixed the issue. Best staying on the older driver till a confirmed fix has been integrated...

1,172 Reply by dawkinscm (edited by dawkinscm 18-01-2024 09:29:29)

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RAGEdemon wrote:

Gentlemen,

Consistent reports are emerging regarding recent nvidia drivers causing stuttering in apps and games. It is related to the DPC latency.

Current advice is to roll back to 537.58 drivers (dated October 2023).

More info in the COMMENTS in this thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comment … iscussion/


I believe I have seen these stutters in SVP too. Rolling back to the recommended driver fixed the issue. Best staying on the older driver till a confirmed fix has been integrated...

Looking through that thread, there are conflicting reports as to which Nvidia drivers are causing problems. There are also reports of problems being caused by Windows 11. I downgraded to Windows 10 months ago after having lots of issues.  I switched to Nvidia Studio drivers as they are more stable with less changes and less likely to cause an issue. But I'm not a gamer. I also turned off Windows GPU scheduling on the recommendation of a VR dev.

1,173 Reply by dlr5668 (edited by dlr5668 18-01-2024 14:40:40)

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537.58 is super stable indeed. You can also use https://www.techpowerup.com/download/te … leanstall/ to install it without bloat (GFE and other crap)

SVP, games with FSR3+DLSS2 mod - all works great

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Question, regarding RIFE I assume the 4070, 4070 Super, 4070 Ti Super, etc are all better than the RTX 3090 with regards to RIFE yes?

I'm asking because I can sell my RTX 3090 used for around $1100 in Australia, and just buy an RTX 4070 Super or 4070 Ti Super for example on special for around the same price.

3090 can no longer handle 4K at 2x with the latest RIFE models sometimes, if the 4070 and higher can handle it, I am willing to do the switch, despite having half the vRAM.

1,175 Reply by dawkinscm (edited by dawkinscm 18-01-2024 16:52:20)

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dlr5668 wrote:

537.58 is super stable indeed. You can also use https://www.techpowerup.com/download/te … leanstall/ to install it without bloat (GFE and other crap)

SVP, games with FSR3+DLSS2 mod - all works great

I installed 537.58 and tbh it made little obvious difference. But the install tool was useful to completely fix some Nvidia driver issues I knew about but had only partially fixed. I just made another back up of everything. Thank you smile


Blackfyre wrote:

Question, regarding RIFE I assume the 4070, 4070 Super, 4070 Ti Super, etc are all better than the RTX 3090 with regards to RIFE yes?

Not necessarily. I would test 1.14 lite first because the 3080/3090 has a wider memory bus than even the 4070ti/4080 so the 3090ti might work better with Rife 1.14 lite than anything less than a 4090. Hopefully someone can help with other card comparisons.