A Better/Faster/Smoother Solution to MPC+Madvr & PotPlayer (Page 2 of 5)

Could anyone enlighten me the differences between DX11 and DX9 and its correlation with reducing artifacts?

Is there any way to reduce interpolated frame artifact near-to-none? Let the CPU/GPU usage is not an issue first.

For the TS, could you give some screen shot that show the differences between video that played in MPC and MPDN?
It will easily illustrate on how MPDN reduces artifact better than MPC.

BlackFyre

From your examples, MPDN dropped the frame. 
Well, the artifact is definitely reduced, but it surely reduces the smoothness, no?

For live video movies, just my opinion though, 24->48 and 24->60 sometimes really hard to be discerned. 24->48 is double frame rate, while 24->60 is "to display refresh rate".
But if you watch anime, the movements are not really dynamic as live video movies, it is huge differences in smoothness.

When I tried to watch some live movies/video, I changed the SVP setting to double frame rate instead of "to display refresh rate", because it's exact multiple and the movements are dynamic enough to give me placebo of smoothness and it definitely reduces the artifact.

That's why I tend to agree with SVP dev that different players with same SVP setting is placebo.

Maybe, this is just some uneducated guess  , when the MPDN tries to render the video, it compares the original frame and the interpolated one. It calculates the vector differences between between the original and interpolated one, if the difference bigger than permitted limit, it will drop some frames.
When I tried some anime, it didn't drop any frame, well, because anime has clear edge and its movements are not dynamic as live movies/videos, so the vector differences are not huge as live movies.
That's why when I tried it, the CPU usage is heavier than using MPC while it didn't reduce any artifact at all.
Again, it's just my guess and uneducated one, maybe SVP dev could correct it

Nintendo Maniac 64
I personally always use the following 2 minute video as my 60fps guinea pig:

source should be BD Remux quaility for proper tests. Dont test SVP on low res/bitrate shit.

No, MPDN dropping frames doesn't effect the smoothness whatsoever (in fact, that's my point, if there's no delayed frames, it's actually slightly smoother than MPC & PotPlayer; I already explained why MPDN drops frames on the first page; or why I believe it drops frames with SVP). The best way to test smoothness is with movies like the Hobbit which are originally shot at 48FPS, but I have them at 24fps. The difference is very noticeable. Both MPC and MPDN are arguably equally as smooth with the same settings on SVP (give or take a little, that MPDN might be slightly smoother), but the difference is the amount of artifacts and their size (both of which are lower and/or smaller on MPDN).

If the video is already 60FPS and you're not using SVP to create extra-frames, any player should be able to run it, even on low-end hardware. What's the point? You're not really creating any extra frames if you're running a 60fps video @60fps using SVP (makes the whole point of the program redundant).

That's why the best way to test SVP is on high res/bitrate (what dlr5668 said) and with videos that have a lower FPS than your monitor (aka 24fps, 25fps, and 30fps content; I don't even use SVP for 60FPS content). I also upscale to 1440p, without upscaling on a 1080p monitor/tv/projector watching 1080p content, I can probably push for better settings. But I'm waiting for OLED TV Prices to go down to buy a TV for my room, probably towards the end of the year. I regret not getting a Panasonic Plasma before they stopped making them.

My bad mate, that makes complete sense. I assumed you had a 60Hz monitor. I really do wonder how videos play on a 120Hz or 144Hz monitor with LightBoost or other strobing techniques @ 120fps or @144fps. Must be amazing!

You're right though, for you 60fps is probably the best way to test, but for me on a 60Hz monitor, there's little benefit in increasing the FPS further. It only affects lower FPS videos to run at higher frame-rates. Try higher quality 60fps videos though. I'm sure there's some around in blu-ray quality that you can always use for testing.

This is the very definition of placebo

Dropping frames does affect the smoothness, but to be noticeable or not is matter of placebo
So your placebo is not whether it reduces the artifacts or not, it smooths or not.

Chainik

Yeah, I think he just misinterpreted relation between smoothness and interpolated artifacts

It can't be helped though, because people with no/lack technical background will find it hard to read the detail on how this interpolation things

Dropped frames with MPC+Madvr (if smooth motion is enabled) destroys smoothness. Can you guys test MPDN with the frame dropping and tell me if you see it not being smooth, before claiming that it isn't.

I'm not talking out of my backside. Try it before you act all technical, I don't know why it says it's dropping frames when it runs extremely smooth and even smoother than MPC (well I know why I already explained it earlier)...

PS: I know what usually happens when frame drops occur with other media players, that lag or stuttering doesn't occur whatsoever with MPDN and render times remain very low too. BTW frame drops only occur with SVP with MPDN. As for the artifacts decreasing after overclocking: well they do decrease, in the same scenes I can see them decreasing (before and after overclock).

It's not that hard to download the player and run it, it doesn't even install, you just have to run it and add ffdshow and you're done. Try it and see what I mean.

But the topic creator uses a 144hz monitor, which is exactly 6x of 24fps...

(assuming the user is using 24fps content)

No I don't, I don't say I use a 144Hz monitor, not in the article (in fact I specifically say I don't and state exactly why I force it 144Hz). Not in the first page, which I also mention why I do it. And above on this page I also clearly state I wish to try it one day with a 144Hz monitor with strobing.

So you didn't read the article? You didn't try my settings? You didn't even thoroughly read my comments above or on the last page. But you sit and criticise what I've been saying without even trying it? With all due respect sir, that's very disrespectful.

Like I said, it's illusion of smoothness. See the word noticeable in my previous post.

Now, have you ever tried SVP setting with "double frame-rate (2x)" instead of "to screen refresh rate" ?
It's better to see by yourself how the illusion works even in MPC.
P.S.1 : Assuming your display refresh rate is 60hz and video is 24fps.
P.S.2 : Try it with some anime episodes to see how the illusion breaks down

If you get the differences between that two setting, you definitely know why MPDN still (looks) smooths and reduces the artifacts albeit drops frames.
The hint is 4:2 and 5:2.