1 (edited by rattacko123 11-10-2017 07:41:25)

Topic: [Image-Heavy] The Best SVP Profile Settings for High End PCs (4k)

I’ve been using the SVP Automatic - Animated setting for a while now (probably 1.5 years). Something has always seemed a bit off using the animated setting, most of the time it looked pretty good, but if any fast motion occurred on screen the animated presets looked pretty mediocre. The film mode also resulted in some annoying artifacts, but for the most part looked pretty good on anything but animation.
So, after recently watching a bunch of anime I had enough. I needed something better than this.

Note that there is no “perfect” profile, each profile has its own drawbacks and can look better or worse for different TV shows and movies. While the animation profile looked pretty good most of the time for anime, my profile seems to be much more consistent in the results it gives, never looking too bad.

Here are the settings I will be using for comparison:

https://i.imgur.com/wQ8uaNj.png
https://i.imgur.com/TZP3Ku6.png
https://i.imgur.com/gxy2FBe.png
https://i.imgur.com/J5Yt1xM.png

For those of you saying “Why are you using 60fps interpolation? 48fps is better”:
Look, 95% of people using SVP won’t bother setting up custom refresh rates, especially those that use laptops or don’t have a high refresh rate display. I’m trying to appeal to the majority here, all you need to set this up is SVP, a video player, and ffdshow (which SVP installs automagically by the way, while reclock requires some setup).

120fps results in best smoothness without too much artifacts. At 60fps I couldn’t get the smoothness I wanted without heavy artifacting, so setting at 120fps surprisingly helps increase the smoothness despite having a 60hz display, although there is a lot of frame blending due to this.

Below is an image comparison between the 4 settings:

RWBY Volume 3, World of Remnant – The Four Maidens:
https://i.imgur.com/mNX8ujA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/RXiS85L.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/rblEX3f.jpg
The 13. Shader used in my profile and the film preset is the only shader that doesn’t result in the wavy distortion effect for this example, all the other shaders resulted in the wavy effect, animation mode uses the 2. Sharp shader.

Here is a video comparison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOswDNAGYsE
I suggest reading the description as I have talked about each setting I have used individually

Madoka:
I probably should have disabled subtitles for this one, but whatever tongue
https://i.imgur.com/IKZSXME.png
The custom profile seems to be little better than the film preset in this scene. The animation preset results in weird waves that look much more noticeable in motion than the other profiles.

https://i.imgur.com/MW2ofrU.png
As you can see here the fine details are lost with the film and custom profile modes. (look at the bright sunlight, parts of her face are missing)

https://i.imgur.com/YyHSv1e.png
When mother is wriggling out of bed, Animation preset does pretty well here. Animation preset opts to repeat frames rather than interpolate all of them.The custom profile results in a fair bit of ghosting.

https://i.imgur.com/QCaNW0X.jpg
All profiles have bad artifacts on this scene.

https://i.imgur.com/qfC3etE.jpg
Animation profile doesn’t do well when there is CGI used in anime.

https://i.imgur.com/JYqkwrY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/pEu1YUr.jpg
uh-oh indeed

Attack on Titan Season 1 OP 2:
https://i.imgur.com/gTJ2MIE.jpg
Animation mode seems to perform poorly with text, resulting in wavy distortion rather than properly interpolating the text. Film mode is nearly unreadable.

https://i.imgur.com/anYyVTX.png

Attack on Titan Season 1 Episode 1:
https://i.imgur.com/ogKh4CW.png
https://i.imgur.com/ggR1PJG.png
https://i.imgur.com/K4YHiqg.png
https://i.imgur.com/3wGSDJV.png
As you can see here the horses leg is almost entirely missing in my profile and the film preset.

https://i.imgur.com/EHfvNbh.png
Animation mode handles the chains very well.

https://i.imgur.com/ROtYGvJ.png
The animation profile results in really distorted text here. All profiles have heavy distortion.

https://i.imgur.com/RPMnRQB.jpg
Custom profile has a triple image effect, most likely due to the 120fps interpolation.

Rick and Morty:
https://i.imgur.com/jwekAVy.jpg
Here is an example where you don’t want to use frame interpolation at all, Rick and Morty doesn’t look very good with interpolation enabled in motion.

Noragami Aragoto:
https://i.imgur.com/uxtHOZY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bpvKeD0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dWoc4vH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DfOtLfh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Q8zOVLF.png
https://i.imgur.com/2IhnmmA.png
https://i.imgur.com/vLUM3yJ.png
Noragami is an example of an anime where all profiles seem to do pretty poorly. Artifacts are quite noticeable.

Logan:
This particular scene has a lot of camera movement and a lot of movement from both foreground and background objects, ideal for testing SVP.
https://i.imgur.com/tfhLAQ2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KepgJMt.jpg
Woah the tree disappeared

https://i.imgur.com/jf4hjVL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7lvlMO5.jpg
The film profile poorly handles sudden changes to the scene, such as gunshots.

https://i.imgur.com/Os0x3GY.jpg
Custom profile looks a bit blurrier, but less noticeable distortions are present compared to the film preset. Animation preset looks like trash in motion.

https://i.imgur.com/rhFJNMv.jpg
There is a triple image effect present on my profile.
Surprisingly, my profile seems to do pretty well with live action footage. However, not all of the frames are interpolated resulting in a less smooth image compared to the film preset.

The animation preset looks unusually bad, maybe perhaps the highest quality setting isn’t actually the best? Not sure whether this is an issue on my end or a problem with SVP, post your experiences down below.
I plan to make a comparison comparing between the different quality presets between the film and animation modes later on in a separate post. One thing to note is that the animation profile is the least demanding out of the 3 profiles. 
https://i.imgur.com/KkkPxYG.jpg
The recording software used around 20% CPU usage, the custom profile used around 80% CPU without recording in this particular scene. The film mode is the most demanding overall. I probably shouldn’t have dragged the slider all the way up tongue

I intend to make a video comparison using these images, and also plan to make a guide for low end PCs by comparing different ranges of profiles. At the moment I have exams coming up so I will have to postpone further work on my SVP profile comparison until December.
For a less demanding (and perhaps better in some cases) profile you may prefer a setting with framerate set to 60, interpolation mode set to “uniform”, and shader set to 2. Sharp (anime), with the rest of the settings remaining the same as my profile.

EDIT:
There are a few changes that I have made to the profile.
1. Motion vectors grid: 24px. I've found that 32px results in poor quality interpolation especially with smaller objects on screen in live action footage, 24px helps a lot (I'm watching Red Dog around 1 hour 10 mins and 25 seconds in, look at the truck's exhaust tubes, the motion doesn't look quite right.
2. Motion Vectors precision: Two pixels. I can't tell the difference between lower and higher settings. Actually, it seems like two pixels has less artifacting than other options, but the difference is minimal. Setting this to two pixels significantly reduces CPU/RAM usage. This setting depends a lot on your resolution, for 1080p and higher set this to 2px, for 720p and lower set this to 1px. I can't seem to find any particularly good scenes to compare this setting, could any of you guys send me some scenes to test this? (if you have any good examples, that is)

2 (edited by Ahov29 12-10-2017 22:22:47)

Re: [Image-Heavy] The Best SVP Profile Settings for High End PCs (4k)

what settings do you recomend for a 1080p display?
I want watch anime 60fps

my build
i7 6700k
1080ti
SSD 850Evo
16GB Ram

Nvidia have something called Cuvid if im right, that can help?


btw what profile is that SPV Off? looks like the best xD

Re: [Image-Heavy] The Best SVP Profile Settings for High End PCs (4k)

almost any screen (7 out of 7 for me) can be overclocked to 72..75 HZ go get it

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-M02DBZLyJ5g/Wd_exyuFkaI/AAAAAAAATaU/1TpojWO3l2YI1uu_OD5RGi5G398qebOFACHMYCw/s0/nvcplui_2017-10-13_00-29-40.png

Re: [Image-Heavy] The Best SVP Profile Settings for High End PCs (4k)

At the risk of stating the obvious, going to "power options" and changing the setting to "high-performance" makes for a clear improvement. I don't remember this making much difference way back when, but with Windows 10 and my lowly 430 watt power supply, this seems to really up the performance. To save time if you want to switch back and forth, just pin the "control panel" icon to your taskbar and when you hover your cursor on top of it, it will give you the option to directly open "power options".

Re: [Image-Heavy] The Best SVP Profile Settings for High End PCs (4k)

Ahov29 wrote:

what settings do you recomend for a 1080p display?
I want watch anime 60fps
Nvidia have something called Cuvid if im right, that can help?
btw what profile is that SPV Off? looks like the best xD

I recommend my custom profile settings, especially considering you're only running a 1080p display with a 1080ti! IMO my profile looks best with anime (for 60fps playback, set my profile to 120fps). Otherwise, the default animation profile is the only other option for anime if you don't want a tonne of artifacting.
I would personally set DXVA copy-back or software only rather than Cuvid. For SVP, definitely use GPU acceleration with your 1080ti.
I definitely recommend you use madvr (a.k.a madshi video renderer) if possible, set everything to Bicubic 75 AR or Jinc or Lancsoz.
With madvr, I'd also recommend using image doubling (luma doubling) settings as well, no idea what the new image doubling options do but if you find out what they do then your 1080ti has more than enough horsepower to run image doubling settings. With anime, set medium/high debanding settings using madvr.
Also, be warned that madvr doesn't always work well with every video player. With potplayer I was having subtitle issues and 4k hevc videos barely ran at all, while with mpc-hc I get really good performance.
I recently got a new graphics card that is capable of running madvr. With my 4k monitor I use bicubic settings.
SVP Off only looks best in still shots, watch the video in 60fps and you'll see that SVP Off looked worst during camera movement https://youtu.be/dOswDNAGYsE

dlr5668 wrote:

almost any screen (7 out of 7 for me) can be overclocked to 72..75 HZ go get it

I had a 60hz DVI 1440p monitor that I could overclock to 96hz, so I've already tried it. For 24fps content 72 or 96hz is best, I recommend you use madvr to automagically (using reclock?) adjust the refresh rate to 60 for 30fps content. Overclocking is only possible on DVI, I’ve never gotten overclocking working on HDMI and displayport and there is no way I can overclock my current 4k60hz display. I recently tried underclocking my 4k display to 24hz and I got... less than satisfactory results.

biff wrote:

At the risk of stating the obvious, going to "power options" and changing the setting to "high-performance" makes for a clear improvement. I don't remember this making much difference way back when, but with Windows 10 and my lowly 430 watt power supply, this seems to really up the performance. To save time if you want to switch back and forth, just pin the "control panel" icon to your taskbar and when you hover your cursor on top of it, it will give you the option to directly open "power options".

This makes no difference, my CPU was pretty much locked at 100% usage. Besides, I'm already using high-performance options.

Thank you guys for your comments. I plan to work on a video regarding other SVP settings and Madvr settings and comparing performance between each setting. So, if I get that done then I'll be sure to add that to the OP

Re: [Image-Heavy] The Best SVP Profile Settings for High End PCs (4k)

This settings work perfect with my hardware "mid 2013"

Alienware 14

°Windows® 10
°1080p display
°Intel® Core™ i7-4900MQ 8MB Caché at 3.80 GHz during test was at stock speed 2.80GHz  so it wasn't using 100% of the cpu
°16GB ram 1600 ddr3L
°NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 765M 2GB GDDR5.

Everything just run perfect. thanks so much,i've got the quality that i wanted ^^