26 Reply by dawkinscm

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pensioner600 wrote:

I also noticed that ALL versions of V2 give the entire picture a shake,

There was a bug with Rife v2 which has been fixed since vslmrt script 3.18.4 released November last year. I think this bug caused picture shake issue.


RAGEdemon wrote:

Each iteration after 4.4 causes a massive performance hit @~16% for minimal artefact improvement.

I know you are not replying to me but I think your comments are interesting so I hope you don't mind me responding directly to you. As you say, there is a massive performance hit. But you have been very lucky if you haven't come across the horrible artefacts that appear below 4.9.

RAGEdemon wrote:

Above 4.9 is trained mostly on Anime.

Being "trained on Anime" or not doesn't matter if it still results in improved live action motion. Rife v4.9 and above are all smoother and have much less visible artefacts than below 4.9.

RAGEdemon wrote:

What you say doesn't make sense to me. You say you don't use 4.4 because "too much artefacts (not critical but noticeable)", but then you are happy to force downscale all 4K and 1080p content to 1280x720p?! And you don't notice the huge degradation in quality?

I am guessing you don't have a 4K display, or else you wouldn't be saying something so seemingly bizarre smile

To each their own, I guess...

Resolution is important but only up to a point. Although I personally would not downscale to 720p I do now downscale my 1920x2160 3D blu-rays to 1080p.   On a near IMAX VR screen, I've tried both upscaling to 4K and downscaling to 1080p and found no "visible" difference between the two. For actual 4K content there is a difference, but it will only be a problem on very large of screens. For most people watching on a TV, there will be little visible difference unless you decide to stand in directly in front of the screen.

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27 Reply by dawkinscm

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Done some more testing and I've learned or at least confirmed a few things. Not sure I see any real benefits with Tensor 9 and Tensor 10 seems to be moving further away from us. So I'm sticking with the last non LLM Tensor 8.6.1 along with the latest vslmrt to have the most up to date build defaults. Using BO=5 but I see no obvious difference to the default. 72fps seems to be the sweet spot for me which might be because the thrown away frames reduces the effect of certain fast movement artefacts. There's more but that about summarises it.

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28 Reply by dawkinscm

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RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:

This type of denoisers is without quality loss...

Which one is it? The Open Intel Denoiser?

Yes, propably, I need denoiser for 720p sources, I dont prefer adjust sharpness level while watching 24>168 4.15v2lite!

BTW Apologies but I just did a Google search and the OID is the name that kept on coming up.  I didn't know that it was for images only until after you said yes and I investigated a bit more. So I am really interested in finding out the actual name of this Intel denoiser.

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29 Reply by dawkinscm

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RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:

This type of denoisers is without quality loss...

Which one is it? The Open Intel Denoiser?

Yes, propably, I need denoiser for 720p sources, I dont prefer adjust sharpness level while watching 24>168 4.15v2lite!

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30 Reply by dawkinscm

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RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:

Anybody has mpv shader like Intel denoiser (which makes all videos looks pretty without quality loss)?

I wouldn't recommend ever using a denoiser unless you have poor quality sources. You say "without quality loss" but with any denoiser there is always a risk of losing high frequency detail.

This type of denoisers is without quality loss...

Which one is it? The Open Intel Denoiser?

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31 Reply by dawkinscm

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RickyAstle98 wrote:

Anybody has mpv shader like Intel denoiser (which makes all videos looks pretty without quality loss)?

I wouldn't recommend ever using a denoiser unless you have poor quality sources. You say "without quality loss" but with any denoiser there is always a risk of losing high frequency detail.

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32 Reply by dawkinscm

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aloola wrote:

mpc-BE + mpc-VR (RTX HDR + RTX SuperRes) + SVP RIFE give you the best experience and easy to config.

also for mpv I found this is a good shader for anime/real-life videos https://github.com/cunnyplapper/CuNNy/t … r/mpv/fp16

I just tried CuNNY and 4x32 is the best option matching FSRCNNX_x2_16-0-4. But CuNNy 4x32 is similar to nnedi32 in that it's heavier on GPU, especially when using SVP.


Drakko01 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:
Drakko01 wrote:

I've been using RIFE since it became available and I never thought it could improve this much. BTW which is the full resolution of your rips and wich resolution its your display

1920x2160.

It's a odd resolution to use and also a odd screen resolution. Can you explain the reason for choosing that resolution in your rips?

I didn't choose it. This is the standard resolution for 3D blu-ray.

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33 Reply by dawkinscm

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aloola wrote:

mpc-BE + mpc-VR (RTX HDR + RTX SuperRes) + SVP RIFE give you the best experience and easy to config.

also for mpv I found this is a good shader for anime/real-life videos https://github.com/cunnyplapper/CuNNy/t … r/mpv/fp16

Thanks for the link. In general I tend to downscale to FHD rather than upscale because there is zero advantage to upscaling my own sources. But this could be useful for poor quality acquired stuff so I will give it a go. Also I don't use a PC for 4K HDR.

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34 Reply by dawkinscm

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Drakko01 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:

Today I tried MPC+MadVR with a simpler config and it still couldn't handle my full resolution rips using Rife. However saying all that I'm also happy running my files reduced to FHD since it uses around 40% less GPU with Rife v4.15v2.

I've been using RIFE since it became available and I never thought it could improve this much. BTW which is the full resolution of your rips and wich resolution its your display

1920x2160.

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35 Reply by dawkinscm

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Drakko01 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:
Drakko01 wrote:

I am exactly at your numbers even using TRT 9.2.

I was always  curious why the devs never updated the TRT Version if there its a reason not to.

It's not stable. When you you are at my numbers with TRT 9.2, are you running large files that have 2x the vertical resolution of a FHD file at 72fps on v4.15?

Maybe i I didn't understood what resolution do you use, but you statement was a little vague...

Generally I play 4k sources downscale to 1920*800 by svp and upscale to 2560*1440 with madvr.

That makes sense. Especially since mpv works much better than MPC+MadVR for SVP+Rife. Today I tried MPC+MadVR with a simpler config and it still couldn't handle my full resolution rips using Rife. However saying all that I'm also happy running my files reduced to FHD since it uses around 40% less GPU with Rife v4.15v2.

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36 Reply by dawkinscm

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I downloaded the latest version of MPC-BE today and I realised a few things. Firstly, for users with lower spec GPUs, MPC is the best choice over MPV because MPV is basically MPC+MadVR. If you want to add MadVR then MPV is more efficient and uses less resources.

The other thing I realised is that if you play a video file with HD audio connected to an external amp it uses about 20% more GPU. Using the GPU makes sense, I just didn't realise how much GPU is potentially used.

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37 Reply by dawkinscm

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Drakko01 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:

FHD or 4K?

Higher than FHD but definitely not 4k. At FHD I can run a little higher at 75fps.

BTW After more testing with the default TRT 8.5.1, Rife v4.16 lite and v4.15 lite are almost identical. Rife v4.15 is slightly better than both. I don't know about anyone else but for me, it looks like I should have stuck with the default TRT.

I am exactly at your numbers even using TRT 9.2.

I was always  curious why the devs never updated the TRT Version if there its a reason not to.

It's not stable. When you you are at my numbers with TRT 9.2, are you running large files that have 2x the vertical resolution of a FHD file at 72fps on v4.15?

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38 Reply by dawkinscm

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RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:

Now that I'm back on TRT8.5.1 I am able to run Rife v4.15v2 at 72fps which uses about 75-90% GPU. The lite version uses about 60-80% GPU. For me I suppose that it goes without saying that:

4.15v2/72 > 4.15v2 lite/72 > 4.15v2/60 > 4.15v2/60 lite > everything else.

FHD or 4K?

Higher than FHD but definitely not 4k. At FHD I can run a little higher at 75fps.

BTW After more testing with the default TRT 8.5.1, Rife v4.16 lite and v4.15 lite are almost identical. Rife v4.15 is slightly better than both. I don't know about anyone else but for me, it looks like I should have stuck with the default TRT.

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39 Reply by dawkinscm

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Now that I'm back on TRT8.5.1 I am able to run Rife v4.15v2 at 72fps which uses about 75-90% GPU. The lite version uses about 60-80% GPU. For me I suppose that it goes without saying that:

4.15v2/72 > 4.15v2 lite/72 > 4.15v2/60 > 4.15v2/60 lite > everything else.

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40 Reply by dawkinscm

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RickyAstle98 wrote:

You didnt understand my post, its only realtime playback bug, the models are normal, just a MPV bug, which I can fix just reencode source files! Thats because I dont give rendered example, models frame handling broken only with realtime playback! Anyway I found a fix, maybe someone facing this bug, just reencode files, voila! And how strange its sounds, I record realtime playback, and there I didnt see issue, thats why I dont give examples, even recording ontop!

So maybe I also misunderstood. I thought the video would show the artefacts but I see none. Are you saying that I have to play the clip on PC using Rife?

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41 Reply by dawkinscm

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RickyAstle98 wrote:

This is how issue look like (video is predelayed for showcase purposes) >
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tGmkW6 … ojEPp/view

I don't see anything even after slowing it down. What am I supposed to see?

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42 Reply by dawkinscm

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RickyAstle98 wrote:

Yes and no, because someone maybe facing my issue with 4.10+ models, for MKV (especially HEVC coded) containers, where 4.10+ models provides improper frame handling!

I mostly have AVC encoded files but I do have a couple of HEVC encoded files which I regularly use as part of my testing and I haven't seen anything obvious.

RickyAstle98 wrote:

Also one more thing, yesterday I tested 4.15 lite and see one artefact, which 4.9 is properly mask! The lite models are less precise I think?

What I noticed was that I saw less artefacts with v4.15 when using TRT 9.2 than using TRT 8.5.1. Meanwhile 4.15 lite/72fps is still pretty good. I'm wondering if it is to do with the other changes I made to the scripts which I reverted back to default. I'm happy with 4.15 lite but I might do some experiments to see if I can improve it further by modding the scripts again.

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43 Reply by dawkinscm

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scb wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:
Insindro wrote:

Could someone let me know how I’d be able to change my builder optimization level?

Line 137
Line 1179
Line 1297

Please do elaborate.. what is the impact of this? What are my options and how does it help? smile

There's very little benefit in changing it. I've played with many of the options including this one and the default settings are mostly the best settings.


RickyAstle98 wrote:
Insindro wrote:

In your opinions, which rife model is currently the smoothest?

4.4 smoothest (for me)

For me they are all about as smooth as each other but 4.15 and 4.15 lite have by far the least artefacts. 4.15 lite is the best all round.

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44 Reply by dawkinscm

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Did you follow the MPC-HC/BE installation instructions in the SVP manual pages?

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45 Reply by dawkinscm

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surmast14 wrote:

Thank you so much Dawkin. Your absolutely right. The bits of advice got me all the way to the last step and took days lol. That site you gave me was so much easier and 10 minutes. My copy and paste messed up too, so i reset svp and everything seems to be fine now i think. When I transcode videos it doesn't say rife engine but ignore hfr sources, but i think it's working since i put 72fps and 60fps.

You are welcome. You are almost there but not quite because if it says "ignore hfr sources" then you are still not running Rife. However if you follow the instructions on this page https://www.svp-team.com/wiki/Manual:SVPcode you should get there. Good luck smile

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46 Reply by dawkinscm

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surmast14 wrote:

Please help me sad. Been emailing SVP4 for months. My rife tensor ai not working at all. a command prompt pops up every time.  vsmrt download not working. got a 4080 laptop. Im trying to get the best video possible. Also many youtube videos usually m3u8 8k and hdr aren't downloading for me.

It sounds like you are trying to copy bits of advice you see on here rather than just follow SVP instructions. All the information you need is here: https://www.svp-team.com/wiki/RIFE_AI_interpolation. Check the "Problems" section at the bottom of the page for help. If that doesn't work then uninstall SVP and start again, following the instructions on this page. SVP does almost everything for you.

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47 Reply by dawkinscm

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Using Lanczos resize makes a noticeable difference to GPU usage and performance plus I'm not seeing any scaling issues. So I'm guessing that the resize happens before the interpolation.

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48 Reply by dawkinscm

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dawkinscm wrote:
flowreen91 wrote:

3. Search "resize" in settings and specify your exact resolution downscale value. Try to add various shaders to regain visual quality.

This is interesting. I've tried downscaling before but the quality is clearly worse than mpv's class leading scaling. I think there is an option to change the scaling from bicubic to something better but it's been a while.

Chainik wrote:

> What is the downscale algorithm in SVP?

bicubic resize

SVP 4\script\generate.js line 477 big_smile
available options: https://www.vapoursynth.com/doc/functio … esize.html

This is what I was talking about but I rarely ask direct questions on here nowadays because I rarely get an answer from devs unless it's to correct an assumption I made because the devs didn't answer a previous question. Round and round it goes.

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49 Reply by dawkinscm

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flowreen91 wrote:

Interesting. Are you talking about this particular instance? https://www.svp-team.com/forum/viewtopi … 121#p84121
Share the video if not.

Sorry I didn't see this earlier. No I'm talking about the intro to the movie Hugo which is a little difficult for Rife unless you get the SCT right or turn it off completely. But after more testing I find I can use SCT at 12 for just about everything now.

It's interesting to see how many of the changes I have recently made have now been reverted since yesterday because of how well Rife v4.15 lite works. I'm back to using the default SVP install and TRT and back to using SCT set to 12. The only remaining change is vmslrt. With v4.15 lite/72fps the remaining stubbon artefacts I come across have definitely improved over any other version while still using only 60-70% GPU.

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50 Reply by dawkinscm

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pensioner600 wrote:

Installed MPV. Did I understand correctly that this is a player without a settings interface and everything needs to be written manually in files? And this will take a very long time to figure out.

If you installed MPV using SVP then you don't "need" to do anything else because SVP comes with a default mpv.conf file in the mpv64 folder. If you installed it separately then you will need to manually add a couple of things. I suggest you install using the SVP installer if you haven't already done so.

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