51 Reply by Xenocyde

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dawkinscm wrote:
Xenocyde wrote:

I don't really think it's possible you left everything on default, but whatever, maybe I'm asking too much.

Really? What made you decide today was a good day to call me a liar?

I just want to get to the bottom of this. Was not my intent to call you a liar, I was asking for the exact options you have there because I think having Power management Mode on Normal might cause more microstutters, I'm currently testing with Prefer Maximum Power.

flowreen91 wrote:

gpu-api=d3d11
video-sync=audio
d3d11-sync-interval=0

Ya, I tested with these enabled and I was still seeing microstutters sad

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52 Reply by Xenocyde

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Drakko01 wrote:

Okay now I see, let's take another approach then,, remember me if you use MPC HC or MPV. Do you use in combination with Madvr. Later when I back home I share screenshot of my settings. For most useful information if you use Madvr post you control J stats. and you rendering General settings.


I use MPV so no MadVR from what I know.

dawkinscm wrote:

There's a tool that someone in this thread mentioned a few months back called NvCleanInstall  which can help. The link is here: https://www.techpowerup.com/nvcleanstall/ smile

OK, I made those two modifications with NVCleanstall, but I can still see 2-3 stutters per 40+ minute TV series episode. I don't have 3D options on default as some games require certain tweaks. Also, I don't really think it's possible you left everything on default, but whatever, maybe I'm asking too much.

flowreen91 wrote:

Xenocyde, could vsync syncing cause microstuttering then? Cause every time i try to test with video-sync=display-resample it breaks the soap opera effect on panning scenes.
Try to test with it temporarily disabled by adding these in mpv config too:

# D3D11 renderer (default) is required for the HDR playback
gpu-api=d3d11
# disable VSync
video-sync=audio
d3d11-sync-interval=0

Removing vsync wait times from the equation should allow the RIFE generated frames to be displayed realtime. Even if u set it to 120 fps on a 60 fps capped monitor. xD

Not sure if you wanted me to test with vsync disabled from Nvidia Control Panel. I turned it off there, but I was getting screen tears so had to turn it back on. I removed the # before "disable VSync" from the config file and I can still see microstutters. Let me know if that is what you wanted me to test.

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53 Reply by Xenocyde

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dawkinscm wrote:
Xenocyde wrote:

So the headset would introduce more lag theoretically? Not sure why that matters. Anyway, what options do you have enabled/disabled in the NV 3D control panel?

No changes made to NV3D panel. I've made some (very) low level driver tweaks by disabling Multiplane Overlay and enabling Message Signalled Interrupts but I doubt they would make a huge difference.

Can you please show a pic with all the options in the 3D panel and maybe explain how to do the other two things you mentioned?

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54 Reply by Xenocyde

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Drakko01 wrote:

I work better when I see it, can you give me an example video/scene that gives you microstutters?

Also, what display do you use?

Drivers ?

The issue is not related to a specific scene. The microstuttering happens and when I rewind to check if maybe that was an encoding frame skip, it's not there anymore. I use a 14-year old 37-inch 1080p Samsung TV (yes I know, need to get a new one, been waiting for a good OLED, but just can't pull the trigger). Drivers are the latest 555.99 from Nvidia.

dawkinscm wrote:

My CPU and RAM have minor OC tweaks but I stopped OC'in my GPU a long time ago. Yes those readings are from the Task Manager.  BTW my GPU is also transmitting the SVP+MPV processed video back to my headset.

So the headset would introduce more lag theoretically? Not sure why that matters. Anyway, what options do you have enabled/disabled in the NV 3D control panel?

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55 Reply by Xenocyde

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dawkinscm wrote:

Nope I stop using v2 a while back.

Then not sure how you're getting that performance difference. Different components? OC-ed GPU? Some config tweaks? You're getting same readings in task manager too?

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56 Reply by Xenocyde

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dawkinscm wrote:

HAGS should be off so that is OK. But my previous GPU readings was FHD3D downscaled. With 4K downscaled and playing full ATMOS (which also uses the GPU) my GPU hits 55%.

Are you on V2 then? I took readings from 4.15 non-V2. With 4.15 V2 or 4.17 V2 @1080p, utilization varies wildly between 40 and 60%, seems like non-V2 is more intensive but at least it stays at 60 something all the time.

flowreen91 wrote:

Try to set rife_sc to 100 in SVP so it will not cause microstuttering from repeating frames when a scene change is detected.

SC is already set to 100. I'll try with V2 and disabling vsync + adding the lines in config.

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57 Reply by Xenocyde

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dawkinscm wrote:

The occasional micro-stutter isn't a major issue of course, but it's surprising that your GPU is hitting 67% with downscaling. For me it's around 30% with the same GPU. I use mpv player.

Haven't actually checked the 4K downscale performance since I don't have a 4K HDR TV and I only get a 4K movie when I can't find the 1080p version. 67% is for native 1080p. I don't have HAGS enabled btw.

Drakko01 wrote:

Maybe it's a stupid question, but in the nvidia control panel you have the vertical sync option enabled, if not, do it.

I will try 4.17, thanks for the suggestion. Yes, vsync is always on.

L.E.: Tried 4.17, I can still see microstuttering. Will try V2 as well.

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58 Reply by Xenocyde

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flowreen91 wrote:

Did u try to enable Statistics in Nvidia App and check if you are giving extra breathing room for your GPU?

I have an RTX 4080 and I only play 1080p TV series or 4K downscaled to 1080p @2.5X fps with RIFE 4.15. Maximum GPU utilization I see is around 67%. Microstutters are not too often, maybe once every 15 minutes at most.

flowreen91 wrote:

Ooh by the way if u accidentally use the vsmlrt.py from 9.2 archive it will fail to find the rife_v2 folder models.Attaching below the out of the box SVP vsmlrt.py file cause it still works with 9.2 and can also find the rife_v2 folder models.

I only copied the dll and the CUDA folder.

There was a time when microstutters did not occur at all, but who even knows what version of RIFE or what drivers I was using back then.

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59 Reply by Xenocyde

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I had TRT 9.1.2 and decided to give 9.2 a try because I was noticing some microstuttering at times. From what I can see, fast movement might be somewhat improved with 9.2, but microstuttering gets worse. Should I update to latest TRT version or is there really nothing I can do to get rid of microstuttering?

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60 Reply by Xenocyde

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oriento wrote:
Xenocyde wrote:

RIFE 4.17 is out with no lite version. Testing now.

L.E.: Not sure what this new version is supposed to improve... I'm getting quite a bit more more fast movement artifacts compared to 4.15 and 4.16.

4.17 - 2024.05.24 | Google Drive | 百度网盘 : Add gram loss from FILM, need to fully assess the impact.

No idea what this means hmm

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61 Reply by Xenocyde

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RIFE 4.17 is out with no lite version. Testing now.

L.E.: Not sure what this new version is supposed to improve... I'm getting quite a bit more fast movement artifacts compared to 4.15 and 4.16.

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62 Reply by Xenocyde

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Magly wrote:

I downscale everything to 1080p so performance shouldn't be an issue, just this clip and the other movies I mentioned doesn't look like they get any interpolation visually, while everything else in 4k hdr works just fine

Maybe it's a source encoder problem. Have you tried those movies from different sources?

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Magly wrote:

It only happens with the TensorRT engine of Rife, the ncnn/Vulcan version works fine but my gpu can't handle it (RTX 3080)

It happens with full movie UHD Bluray mkv rips of several of the Fast & Furious and Transformers movies and some others.

I have an RTX 4080 and full 4K movies cannot run at 48fps+ smoothly, not even on RTX 4090 afaik. If they have HDR data, even worse. I only have a 1080p screen, but I've seen people here recommending to downscale the resolution to 1440p or something similar. Tried your clip and it seems to be running at less than 24 fps (maybe 12 fps) on my RTX 4080 when enabling RIFE (TRT or Vulkan, doesn't matetr). The video gets stretched to twice the normal duration for some reason, and the sound stops in the middle of the video. Not sure what's going on with your optimization window though. Mine ran fine, saved the profile in ~40 seconds.

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64 Reply by Xenocyde

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aloola wrote:

yes, it's the only reason we use v2
from my benchmark, v2 gives a huge fps boost

Why HAGS ON? Shouldn't turning it off provide an even bigger fps boost?

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65 Reply by Xenocyde

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dawkinscm wrote:

Exactly smile Especially since I can see minor but perceptible differences between v4.15 and v4.15v2 that I don't remember seeing in other models.

So V4.15 is better than V4.15V2 now? Didn't you say that V2 is better? I tried both and couldn't see any visual difference.

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66 Reply by Xenocyde

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I've been using V2 or V2 lite models for some time now (maybe 6+ months) and never noticed any shakiness. My vslmrt version is 3.18.16, says it was last modified in December 2023. Does that mean it includes the shake fix?

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67 Reply by Xenocyde

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SHTH34D wrote:

Would it be possible to get an option in SVP to turn HAGS off? It's needed for certain functions (DLSS 3 Frame Generation) and I really don't want to have to turn it off and restart my pc every time I watch a movie.

Don't think you can deactivate it for specific programs in real-time. It's either off or on when the OS boots up.

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dawkinscm wrote:

OK found it. In the settings it's under setup and it's called min_duration.

Nice, thank you! Do you guys test with pre-rendered RIFE or real-time RIFE rendering. I know pre-rendered can yield better results, but I only tested this with a 40-minute video in early 2023, can't remember what RIFE version we had back then. Stopped testing stuff like that because pre-rendering took a few hours.

I only test with real-time now and I can see more interference artifacts with 4.15 V2 on the bottom left side of the net. Interestingly enough, the short clip is yielding different results on 4.16 V2 Lite. The long clip shows faint artifacts on the bottom left side of the net, but the short clip shows no artifacts in that area, although I can see faint artifacts on the right side of the net now.

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69 Reply by Xenocyde

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dawkinscm wrote:
Xenocyde wrote:

How do you guys activate Rife in a short clip like that one I linked above? I play the clip but Rife does not activate. I have the long clip of 47 minutes, and I can see more interference artifacts in the goal net on 4.15 V2 towards the left bottom side. Those artifacts are barely visible on 4.16 V2 Lite.

As you have found, only clips above a certain duration will cause SVP to trigger. When I had this issue some time back, I found the setting for the video duration threshold and I think I set it to zero which means SVP will run on any length of video clip. I can't remember if it's code or an actual SVP setting because it's not in the SVP manual.

Welp, if anyone knows how to reduce that threshold to 0, please let me know.

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70 Reply by Xenocyde

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How do you guys activate Rife in a short clip like that one I linked above? I play the clip but Rife does not activate. I have the long clip of 47 minutes, and I can see more interference artifacts in the goal net on 4.15 V2 towards the left bottom side. Those artifacts are barely visible on 4.16 V2 Lite.

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71 Reply by Xenocyde

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dawkinscm wrote:

Thanks but it says I need to request access.

Try this.

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72 Reply by Xenocyde

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dawkinscm wrote:

Fair enough. All the fast motion artefacts I see are improved with v4.15 but left untouched by v4.16. Can you could post a clip? It might be useful to  add it to my test collection.

Here it is.

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dawkinscm wrote:

I don't know about Anime but for live action both versions of 4.15 are much better for fast movement artefacts. Also mpv has nothing to do with Rife AI generated artefacts because they are "AI generated" artefacts.

I'm testing with live action, never tested anime. I have a specific scene from a BBC documentary abut the 1990 football cup in Italy where the camera pans from right to left and the football net usually shows interference artifacts. This scene looks a bit better on 4.16 V2 Lite compared to 4.15 V2.

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74 Reply by Xenocyde

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Tried 4.16 V2 Lite with the new MPV update a few days ago and it looks like the fast movement interference artifacts are almost gone now.

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75 Reply by Xenocyde

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Mardon85 wrote:

I can also confrim rife v9.15 v2 is awesome. Testing on Avatar (1) flight scenes and its much improved.

Checked 4.15 V2 for contour and interference pattern artifacts and I can confirm it improves things over 4.14.

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