Topic: haloing issue

I see a lot of artifacts when people move or when they go into a jungle. I even downgraded my settings still i don't see any improvement when it comes to artifacts. Even when i select artifact masking strongest i still see a lot of artifacts and big artifacts when people move, fight, fly or any kind of scenes which involves fast movement. I have ryzen 5 2600 and gtx 970 and use these settings in svp;

Adaptive
Uniform 1m-2m
Simple
Average

Half pixel
24px
By two with global refinement
Large
Strongest
Large

Eventhough i almost use the least artifact producing settings why do i still get artifacts which make it hard for me to watch ?
Pls help me i tried everything possible but still have this artifact issue.

Re: haloing issue

use x2 and watch movies in 48 or 50 hz (reclock or mpv slowdown). x3,x4 works too (72hz, 96hz)
https://www.svp-team.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=5384

try override file with different settings
https://www.svp-team.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=5481

Re: haloing issue

dlr5668 wrote:

use x2 and watch movies in 48 or 50 hz (reclock or mpv slowdown). x3,x4 works too (72hz, 96hz)
https://www.svp-team.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=5384

try override file with different settings
https://www.svp-team.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=5481

I have a 60hz monitor which supports 1360x768 resolution. I am using mpv and x2. I also tried strong artifact masking but no matter what i did those halos around people don’t disappear. I am so lost now. I don’t want that much of a smooth video performance ı just want a clean performance in which i don’t get blind because of artifacts.

4 (edited by dlr5668 19-11-2019 08:25:16)

Re: haloing issue

>I have a 60hz monitor which supports 1360x768 resolution. I am using mpv and x2.

Its really not that hard. The more frames SVP creates in between the "real" ones, the more artificial the overall image quality will look. How player will translate 48 fps from svp to 60 fps ? You need to use tool like https://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thre … tility-CRU and add custom 48 (no need for reclock) or 50(need reclock or mpv) Hz mode.

with x2 and using 48 hz you will have 50% real frames and least amount of artifacts

You can read more about reclock here https://www.google.com/search?q=reclock … p-team.com

Re: haloing issue

there's always a "haloing issue" with frame interpolation
if you can't get used to it probably frame interpolation is not your thing

BTW, 21th and 23th SVP shaders try to reduce this effect

Re: haloing issue

dlr5668 wrote:

>I have a 60hz monitor which supports 1360x768 resolution. I am using mpv and x2.

Its really not that hard. The more frames SVP creates in between the "real" ones, the more artificial the overall image quality will look. How player will translate 48 fps from svp to 60 fps ? You need to use tool like https://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thre … tility-CRU and add custom 48 (no need for reclock) or 50(need reclock or mpv) Hz mode.

with x2 and using 48 hz you will have 50% real frames and least amount of artifacts

You can read more about reclock here https://www.google.com/search?q=reclock … p-team.com

Can i use reclock with 64bit mpc ? How do i do this 50hz thing whit mpv ?

Re: haloing issue

Chainik wrote:

there's always a "haloing issue" with frame interpolation
if you can't get used to it probably frame interpolation is not your thing

BTW, 21th and 23th SVP shaders try to reduce this effect

So why should i use svp then ? All the artifacts it produces look bad and in fighting scenes people get blurry and you can’t have fun while watching such movies.

Re: haloing issue

cemaydnlar wrote:
dlr5668 wrote:

>I have a 60hz monitor which supports 1360x768 resolution. I am using mpv and x2.

Its really not that hard. The more frames SVP creates in between the "real" ones, the more artificial the overall image quality will look. How player will translate 48 fps from svp to 60 fps ? You need to use tool like https://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thre … tility-CRU and add custom 48 (no need for reclock) or 50(need reclock or mpv) Hz mode.

with x2 and using 48 hz you will have 50% real frames and least amount of artifacts

You can read more about reclock here https://www.google.com/search?q=reclock … p-team.com

Can i use reclock with 64bit mpc ? How do i do this 50hz thing whit mpv ?

open C:\Program Files (x86)\SVP 4\mpv64\mpv.conf and add

video-sync=display-resample
video-sync-max-video-change=10

9 (edited by cemaydnlar 19-11-2019 13:25:11)

Re: haloing issue

dlr5668 wrote:
cemaydnlar wrote:
dlr5668 wrote:

>I have a 60hz monitor which supports 1360x768 resolution. I am using mpv and x2.

Its really not that hard. The more frames SVP creates in between the "real" ones, the more artificial the overall image quality will look. How player will translate 48 fps from svp to 60 fps ? You need to use tool like https://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thre … tility-CRU and add custom 48 (no need for reclock) or 50(need reclock or mpv) Hz mode.

with x2 and using 48 hz you will have 50% real frames and least amount of artifacts

You can read more about reclock here https://www.google.com/search?q=reclock … p-team.com

Can i use reclock with 64bit mpc ? How do i do this 50hz thing whit mpv ?

open C:\Program Files (x86)\SVP 4\mpv64\mpv.conf and add

video-sync=display-resample
video-sync-max-video-change=10

Do i just copy paste this ? Okey i said open with notepad and there is a part like this;
# "ReClock" replacement
#video-sync=display-resample
#video-sync-max-video-change=5
I changed the value to 10 but it doesn't let me save the changes it says something about administrive permission.

Re: haloing issue

> So why should i use svp then ?

everyone can decide this for himself by using a 30-days trial wink
and everyone has his own level of acceptable artifacts, obviously

Re: haloing issue

cemaydnlar wrote:
dlr5668 wrote:
cemaydnlar wrote:

Can i use reclock with 64bit mpc ? How do i do this 50hz thing whit mpv ?

open C:\Program Files (x86)\SVP 4\mpv64\mpv.conf and add

video-sync=display-resample
video-sync-max-video-change=10

Do i just copy paste this ? Okey i said open with notepad and there is a part like this;
# "ReClock" replacement
#video-sync=display-resample
#video-sync-max-video-change=5
I changed the value to 10 but it doesn't let me save the changes it says something about administrive permission.

# means its disabled. copy it to desktop, edit and copy back (noob way)

Re: haloing issue

dlr5668 wrote:
cemaydnlar wrote:
dlr5668 wrote:

open C:\Program Files (x86)\SVP 4\mpv64\mpv.conf and add

video-sync=display-resample
video-sync-max-video-change=10

Do i just copy paste this ? Okey i said open with notepad and there is a part like this;
# "ReClock" replacement
#video-sync=display-resample
#video-sync-max-video-change=5
I changed the value to 10 but it doesn't let me save the changes it says something about administrive permission.

# means its disabled. copy it to desktop, edit and copy back (noob way)

Okey i deleted # this sign and made it like this;
"ReClock" replacement
video-sync=display-resample
video-sync-max-video-change=10
Is there a way to check if it works or not ?

Re: haloing issue

place stats.lua to C:\Users\XXX\AppData\Roaming\mpv\scripts
press I
https://i.imgur.com/ZNVjCGN.png
DS ... shows change of video speed
you need 50/48= +4%

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Re: haloing issue

dlr5668 wrote:

place stats.lua to C:\Users\XXX\AppData\Roaming\mpv\scripts
press I
https://i.imgur.com/ZNVjCGN.png
DS ... shows change of video speed
you need 50/48= +4%

It's like this;
https://i.imgur.com/qIVxSll.png

Re: haloing issue

Your display refresh rate is 60 hz so it doesnt work. You cant speed 48 to 60 it would look awful. Switch monitor to 50 hz

Re: haloing issue

dlr5668 wrote:

Your display refresh rate is 60 hz so it doesnt work. You cant speed 48 to 60 it would look awful. Switch monitor to 50 hz

I can only choose 60hz. What should i do ?

17 (edited by dlr5668 19-11-2019 16:35:48)

Re: haloing issue

cemaydnlar wrote:
dlr5668 wrote:

Your display refresh rate is 60 hz so it doesnt work. You cant speed 48 to 60 it would look awful. Switch monitor to 50 hz

I can only choose 60hz. What should i do ?

https://www.svp-team.com/forum/viewtopi … 153#p74153
https://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thre … tility-CRU

Re: haloing issue

dlr5668 wrote:
cemaydnlar wrote:
dlr5668 wrote:

Your display refresh rate is 60 hz so it doesnt work. You cant speed 48 to 60 it would look awful. Switch monitor to 50 hz

I can only choose 60hz. What should i do ?

https://www.svp-team.com/forum/viewtopi … 153#p74153
https://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thre … tility-CRU

I managed to do it thanks a lot.

Re: haloing issue

awesome. does it look better ?

Re: haloing issue

dlr5668 wrote:

awesome. does it look better ?

Unfortunately not. Movies still have a lot of this halos around moving people and objects. The problem isn't that they exist the problem is they are too big. I get distracted while watching them.

Re: haloing issue

dlr5668 wrote:

awesome. does it look better ?

Okey i gave up. I am trying for the last 2 years to get something out of svp but it wont work. I just deleted svp and decided to watch movies the way they are shot but still thanks for your help. I learned a lot from you.

Re: haloing issue

cemaydnlar wrote:
dlr5668 wrote:

awesome. does it look better ?

Okey i gave up. I am trying for the last 2 years to get something out of svp but it wont work. I just deleted svp and decided to watch movies the way they are shot but still thanks for your help. I learned a lot from you.

Np, I will use this thread as reference wink Haloing is pretty manageable with good quality source (2k resolution / blu rays), integer multiplier (48, 72, 96 etc) and some tuning

Re: haloing issue

dlr5668 wrote:
cemaydnlar wrote:
dlr5668 wrote:

awesome. does it look better ?

Okey i gave up. I am trying for the last 2 years to get something out of svp but it wont work. I just deleted svp and decided to watch movies the way they are shot but still thanks for your help. I learned a lot from you.

Np, I will use this thread as reference wink Haloing is pretty manageable with good quality source (2k resolution / blu rays), integer multiplier (48, 72, 96 etc) and some tuning

Well i hope others will find a way to reduce artifacts and halos without losing smoothness a lot. Unfortunately everything i did this last 2 years didn’t work for me.

Re: haloing issue

Rules to remove artifacts:
1. You need to see maximum frames as possible. So, you need to see all source frames. It is possible only with integer multiplier. x2, x3 and so on.
2. You need to see calculated frames with minimum artifacts. It is possible if calculated frames are close to source frames. Best choice is x3 multiplier. You will see one original frame and two calculated with delta 1/3 of interframe time.
3. This rule is individual but I like block artifacts with maximum smoothness:
frame interpolation: uniform
SVP shader: 10. by blocks
artifacts masking: disabled
motion vectors precision: one pixel (or half pixel)
motion vectors grid: 14 px
decrese grid step: disabled
search radius: small and fast (or small)
wide search: disabled
width of coarse top level: small
processing of scene changes: blend adjacent frames

Re: haloing issue

MAG79 wrote:

Rules to remove artifacts:
1. You need to see maximum frames as possible. So, you need to see all source frames. It is possible only with integer multiplier. x2, x3 and so on.
2. You need to see calculated frames with minimum artifacts. It is possible if calculated frames are close to source frames. Best choice is x3 multiplier. You will see one original frame and two calculated with delta 1/3 of interframe time.
3. This rule is individual but I like block artifacts with maximum smoothness:
frame interpolation: uniform
SVP shader: 10. by blocks
artifacts masking: disabled
motion vectors precision: one pixel (or half pixel)
motion vectors grid: 14 px
decrese grid step: disabled
search radius: small and fast (or small)
wide search: disabled
width of coarse top level: small
processing of scene changes: blend adjacent frames

I have a bad tv which supports 60hz. When i downgrade it to 50hz it gets sloppy. This means i can only use x2 or to screen which makes no difference at all when it comes to artifacts moving people or objects create. I tried all the possible settings and couldn’t achieve what i was aiming for. Okey my movies get a lot smoother but what is the point when all the good fight scenes have artifacts which distract you or whats the point when characters get blurry while these scenes. I did a lot of research about svp and it used to work with intel pentium which can be bought for 20 dolars nowadays and i have the specs i mentioned above. So i don’t want to assume that my specs aren’t enough to get good result. As i said before i wasn’t expecting movies to have 0 artifacts but i don’t know how it looks on your computers. For me the amount of artifacts were unacceptable so i decided to delete svp and watch movies the way they are normally. For me svp has no difference from splash pro player.