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If you have to use Rife v2 and have picture shaking issues then updating vslmrt makes sense. I reset everything back to default (minus some script changes) then updated to TRT8.6. Not going beyond that unless someone can show me how TRT9 improves things. Not sure why anyone would update to TRT 10.
I've been using V2 or V2 lite models for some time now (maybe 6+ months) and never noticed any shakiness. My vslmrt version is 3.18.16, says it was last modified in December 2023. Does that mean it includes the shake fix?
Yes.
pensioner600 wrote:How can I change the TRT version?
pensioner600 if you would like to update vsmirt to fix the v2 picture shake, follow the instructions from here:
https://www.svp-team.com/forum/viewtopi … 735#p83735
No. As @Chainik stated above, this is nothing to do with TRT version.
one more time, what is the exact point of "v2"?
it's not-faster or even slower, and it takes more RAM. so, why?
While it's no longer significantly faster, the release notes say it reduces "PCie traffic flow". From personal experience this helps a lot for real time processing and provides more GPU headroom. Before I started to use downscaling, I was regularly hitting 100% GPU, but the v2 models would bring that down to 90% or less depending on the model.
But @Chainik thanks for the reminder because it's been a while since I used a non v2 model and unlike previous models, v4.15 seems to handle artefacts a "touch" better than the v2 version.
dawkinscm wrote:pensioner600 wrote:I also noticed that ALL versions of V2 give the entire picture a shake,
There was a bug with Rife v2 which has been fixed since vslmrt script 3.18.4 released November last year. I think this bug caused picture shake issue.
Should SVP devs upgrade the out of the box vsmirt script so they will fix it for all users?
(knowing that non-lazy users might play around with v2 versions for that extra performance and run into that bug)
lazy is harsh lol. But if the issue is vslmrt and you want to upgrade then I would recommend upgrading to the November 2023 script and not later because later vslmrt scripts made changes that require mods to the helper script too.
I also noticed that ALL versions of V2 give the entire picture a shake,
There was a bug with Rife v2 which has been fixed since vslmrt script 3.18.4 released November last year. I think this bug caused picture shake issue.
Each iteration after 4.4 causes a massive performance hit @~16% for minimal artefact improvement.
I know you are not replying to me but I think your comments are interesting so I hope you don't mind me responding directly to you. As you say, there is a massive performance hit. But you have been very lucky if you haven't come across the horrible artefacts that appear below 4.9.
Above 4.9 is trained mostly on Anime.
Being "trained on Anime" or not doesn't matter if it still results in improved live action motion. Rife v4.9 and above are all smoother and have much less visible artefacts than below 4.9.
What you say doesn't make sense to me. You say you don't use 4.4 because "too much artefacts (not critical but noticeable)", but then you are happy to force downscale all 4K and 1080p content to 1280x720p?! And you don't notice the huge degradation in quality?
I am guessing you don't have a 4K display, or else you wouldn't be saying something so seemingly bizarre
To each their own, I guess...
Resolution is important but only up to a point. Although I personally would not downscale to 720p I do now downscale my 1920x2160 3D blu-rays to 1080p. On a near IMAX VR screen, I've tried both upscaling to 4K and downscaling to 1080p and found no "visible" difference between the two. For actual 4K content there is a difference, but it will only be a problem on very large of screens. For most people watching on a TV, there will be little visible difference unless you decide to stand in directly in front of the screen.
Done some more testing and I've learned or at least confirmed a few things. Not sure I see any real benefits with Tensor 9 and Tensor 10 seems to be moving further away from us. So I'm sticking with the last non LLM Tensor 8.6.1 along with the latest vslmrt to have the most up to date build defaults. Using BO=5 but I see no obvious difference to the default. 72fps seems to be the sweet spot for me which might be because the thrown away frames reduces the effect of certain fast movement artefacts. There's more but that about summarises it.
dawkinscm wrote:RickyAstle98 wrote:This type of denoisers is without quality loss...
Which one is it? The Open Intel Denoiser?
Yes, propably, I need denoiser for 720p sources, I dont prefer adjust sharpness level while watching 24>168 4.15v2lite!
BTW Apologies but I just did a Google search and the OID is the name that kept on coming up. I didn't know that it was for images only until after you said yes and I investigated a bit more. So I am really interested in finding out the actual name of this Intel denoiser.
dawkinscm wrote:RickyAstle98 wrote:This type of denoisers is without quality loss...
Which one is it? The Open Intel Denoiser?
Yes, propably, I need denoiser for 720p sources, I dont prefer adjust sharpness level while watching 24>168 4.15v2lite!
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dawkinscm wrote:RickyAstle98 wrote:Anybody has mpv shader like Intel denoiser (which makes all videos looks pretty without quality loss)?
I wouldn't recommend ever using a denoiser unless you have poor quality sources. You say "without quality loss" but with any denoiser there is always a risk of losing high frequency detail.
This type of denoisers is without quality loss...
Which one is it? The Open Intel Denoiser?
Anybody has mpv shader like Intel denoiser (which makes all videos looks pretty without quality loss)?
I wouldn't recommend ever using a denoiser unless you have poor quality sources. You say "without quality loss" but with any denoiser there is always a risk of losing high frequency detail.
mpc-BE + mpc-VR (RTX HDR + RTX SuperRes) + SVP RIFE give you the best experience and easy to config.
also for mpv I found this is a good shader for anime/real-life videos https://github.com/cunnyplapper/CuNNy/t … r/mpv/fp16
I just tried CuNNY and 4x32 is the best option matching FSRCNNX_x2_16-0-4. But CuNNy 4x32 is similar to nnedi32 in that it's heavier on GPU, especially when using SVP.
dawkinscm wrote:Drakko01 wrote:I've been using RIFE since it became available and I never thought it could improve this much. BTW which is the full resolution of your rips and wich resolution its your display
1920x2160.
It's a odd resolution to use and also a odd screen resolution. Can you explain the reason for choosing that resolution in your rips?
I didn't choose it. This is the standard resolution for 3D blu-ray.
mpc-BE + mpc-VR (RTX HDR + RTX SuperRes) + SVP RIFE give you the best experience and easy to config.
also for mpv I found this is a good shader for anime/real-life videos https://github.com/cunnyplapper/CuNNy/t … r/mpv/fp16
Thanks for the link. In general I tend to downscale to FHD rather than upscale because there is zero advantage to upscaling my own sources. But this could be useful for poor quality acquired stuff so I will give it a go. Also I don't use a PC for 4K HDR.
dawkinscm wrote:Today I tried MPC+MadVR with a simpler config and it still couldn't handle my full resolution rips using Rife. However saying all that I'm also happy running my files reduced to FHD since it uses around 40% less GPU with Rife v4.15v2.
I've been using RIFE since it became available and I never thought it could improve this much. BTW which is the full resolution of your rips and wich resolution its your display
1920x2160.
dawkinscm wrote:Drakko01 wrote:I am exactly at your numbers even using TRT 9.2.
I was always curious why the devs never updated the TRT Version if there its a reason not to.
It's not stable. When you you are at my numbers with TRT 9.2, are you running large files that have 2x the vertical resolution of a FHD file at 72fps on v4.15?
Maybe i I didn't understood what resolution do you use, but you statement was a little vague...
Generally I play 4k sources downscale to 1920*800 by svp and upscale to 2560*1440 with madvr.
That makes sense. Especially since mpv works much better than MPC+MadVR for SVP+Rife. Today I tried MPC+MadVR with a simpler config and it still couldn't handle my full resolution rips using Rife. However saying all that I'm also happy running my files reduced to FHD since it uses around 40% less GPU with Rife v4.15v2.
I downloaded the latest version of MPC-BE today and I realised a few things. Firstly, for users with lower spec GPUs, MPC is the best choice over MPV because MPV is basically MPC+MadVR. If you want to add MadVR then MPV is more efficient and uses less resources.
The other thing I realised is that if you play a video file with HD audio connected to an external amp it uses about 20% more GPU. Using the GPU makes sense, I just didn't realise how much GPU is potentially used.
dawkinscm wrote:RickyAstle98 wrote:FHD or 4K?
Higher than FHD but definitely not 4k. At FHD I can run a little higher at 75fps.
BTW After more testing with the default TRT 8.5.1, Rife v4.16 lite and v4.15 lite are almost identical. Rife v4.15 is slightly better than both. I don't know about anyone else but for me, it looks like I should have stuck with the default TRT.
I am exactly at your numbers even using TRT 9.2.
I was always curious why the devs never updated the TRT Version if there its a reason not to.
It's not stable. When you you are at my numbers with TRT 9.2, are you running large files that have 2x the vertical resolution of a FHD file at 72fps on v4.15?
dawkinscm wrote:Now that I'm back on TRT8.5.1 I am able to run Rife v4.15v2 at 72fps which uses about 75-90% GPU. The lite version uses about 60-80% GPU. For me I suppose that it goes without saying that:
4.15v2/72 > 4.15v2 lite/72 > 4.15v2/60 > 4.15v2/60 lite > everything else.
FHD or 4K?
Higher than FHD but definitely not 4k. At FHD I can run a little higher at 75fps.
BTW After more testing with the default TRT 8.5.1, Rife v4.16 lite and v4.15 lite are almost identical. Rife v4.15 is slightly better than both. I don't know about anyone else but for me, it looks like I should have stuck with the default TRT.
Now that I'm back on TRT8.5.1 I am able to run Rife v4.15v2 at 72fps which uses about 75-90% GPU. The lite version uses about 60-80% GPU. For me I suppose that it goes without saying that:
4.15v2/72 > 4.15v2 lite/72 > 4.15v2/60 > 4.15v2/60 lite > everything else.
You didnt understand my post, its only realtime playback bug, the models are normal, just a MPV bug, which I can fix just reencode source files! Thats because I dont give rendered example, models frame handling broken only with realtime playback! Anyway I found a fix, maybe someone facing this bug, just reencode files, voila! And how strange its sounds, I record realtime playback, and there I didnt see issue, thats why I dont give examples, even recording ontop!
So maybe I also misunderstood. I thought the video would show the artefacts but I see none. Are you saying that I have to play the clip on PC using Rife?
This is how issue look like (video is predelayed for showcase purposes) >
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tGmkW6 … ojEPp/view
I don't see anything even after slowing it down. What am I supposed to see?
Yes and no, because someone maybe facing my issue with 4.10+ models, for MKV (especially HEVC coded) containers, where 4.10+ models provides improper frame handling!
I mostly have AVC encoded files but I do have a couple of HEVC encoded files which I regularly use as part of my testing and I haven't seen anything obvious.
Also one more thing, yesterday I tested 4.15 lite and see one artefact, which 4.9 is properly mask! The lite models are less precise I think?
What I noticed was that I saw less artefacts with v4.15 when using TRT 9.2 than using TRT 8.5.1. Meanwhile 4.15 lite/72fps is still pretty good. I'm wondering if it is to do with the other changes I made to the scripts which I reverted back to default. I'm happy with 4.15 lite but I might do some experiments to see if I can improve it further by modding the scripts again.
RickyAstle98 wrote:Insindro wrote:Could someone let me know how I’d be able to change my builder optimization level?
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There's very little benefit in changing it. I've played with many of the options including this one and the default settings are mostly the best settings.
Insindro wrote:In your opinions, which rife model is currently the smoothest?
4.4 smoothest (for me)
For me they are all about as smooth as each other but 4.15 and 4.15 lite have by far the least artefacts. 4.15 lite is the best all round.
Did you follow the MPC-HC/BE installation instructions in the SVP manual pages?
Thank you so much Dawkin. Your absolutely right. The bits of advice got me all the way to the last step and took days lol. That site you gave me was so much easier and 10 minutes. My copy and paste messed up too, so i reset svp and everything seems to be fine now i think. When I transcode videos it doesn't say rife engine but ignore hfr sources, but i think it's working since i put 72fps and 60fps.
You are welcome. You are almost there but not quite because if it says "ignore hfr sources" then you are still not running Rife. However if you follow the instructions on this page https://www.svp-team.com/wiki/Manual:SVPcode you should get there. Good luck 
Please help me
. Been emailing SVP4 for months. My rife tensor ai not working at all. a command prompt pops up every time. vsmrt download not working. got a 4080 laptop. Im trying to get the best video possible. Also many youtube videos usually m3u8 8k and hdr aren't downloading for me.
It sounds like you are trying to copy bits of advice you see on here rather than just follow SVP instructions. All the information you need is here: https://www.svp-team.com/wiki/RIFE_AI_interpolation. Check the "Problems" section at the bottom of the page for help. If that doesn't work then uninstall SVP and start again, following the instructions on this page. SVP does almost everything for you.
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