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osudahiuhsdfg wrote:dawkinscm wrote:osudahiuhsdfg wrote:I'm sorry I don't know if I'm the one being difficult or if you are, or if it's both of us. What is your starting solution? You suggested a drop RIFE altogether, which I don't want to do and isn't a solution to the RIFE problem. Without RIFE everything works fine with frame doubling, so no issue there. What progress did you ask me to report? I don't see you asking for anything sorry. Are you maybe confusing me with someone else?
That's OK. You don't understand what I am asking for which is a very basic step for setting up mpv with SVP. This explains why you asked your original question. You have some reading to do, maybe starting with the SVP manual, here https://www.svp-team.com/wiki/SVP:mpv. The only suggestion I would make (again) is that you remove any SVP config you have created and use the one under the SVP/mpv64 folder.
Also. Are you are using the same monitor on each computer or a different one? If it is different and it is set to a lower fps than SVP is set to then mpv will often drop packets because of the mismatch.
Ok maybe this is a stupid question but why would I want to setup MPV? I've been using SVP with MPC-HC and RIFE for years. And I've read lots of SVP materials and I've set everything up following the instructions. It's possible I missed a step somehow but I've tried doing things to the letter. Are you suggesting I use MPV to see if it works for some reason? Note that I am using madVR. This is compatible with MPV I think but requires a special directshow integration if I am not mistaken.
And yeah same projector for both PCs. I literally swap between them and one works and one doesn't work properly, annoying!
Yes and no. I made a mistake after reading your original post and forgot that you are using MPC-HC so that's on me. MPV doesn't need madVR because it has better functionality with higher quality and much more efficient. But I know later versions madVR have special settings for projectors so it makes sense to use it. With MPC I assume that you exported the settings on the old PC and imported them on the new one. I stopped using madVR years ago when I started to use MPV so I can't remember if you can do the same. But if you can and have imported both sets of settings then you may have the painful task of having to go through each and every MPC and madVR setting one by one to see if there are differences.
osudahiuhsdfg wrote:dawkinscm wrote:osudahiuhsdfg wrote:I asked a very simple question: should be using DXVA2, DXVA2 copyback, or D3D11?
As for what I am doing, I am using madVR, SVP with RIFE and MPC-HC to watch movies at 48hz with an RTX 5080. I have a nearly identical PC with a 5070ti that does it absolutely fine but on the new PC I am dropping frames like crazy in the decoding stage, which makes me think its not a GPU or madVR problem. I copy pasted the madVR and SVP settings from the old PC so it's baffling me. I ran 3dmark and everything is up to snuff.
"a very simple question" indeed. Such a simple question that I can't be a**sed to answer. So instead I gave you a starting solution and asked you to report progress which you still have not done.
I'm sorry I don't know if I'm the one being difficult or if you are, or if it's both of us. What is your starting solution? You suggested a drop RIFE altogether, which I don't want to do and isn't a solution to the RIFE problem. Without RIFE everything works fine with frame doubling, so no issue there. What progress did you ask me to report? I don't see you asking for anything sorry. Are you maybe confusing me with someone else?
That's OK. You don't understand what I am asking for which is a very basic step for setting up mpv with SVP. This explains why you asked your original question. You have some reading to do, maybe starting with the SVP manual, here https://www.svp-team.com/wiki/SVP:mpv. The only suggestion I would make (again) is that you remove any SVP config you have created and use the one under the SVP/mpv64 folder.
Also. Are you are using the same monitor on each computer or a different one? If it is different and it is set to a lower fps than SVP is set to then mpv will often drop packets because of the mismatch.
osudahiuhsdfg wrote:dawkinscm wrote:osudahiuhsdfg wrote:What's funny? I've been using RIFE for like 3 years. I got a new computer and i'm dropping frames like crazy in decoder state. Rendering is good. I have no idea what the problem is and I don't think its madVR so it's in decoding. I think SVP is where the issue is but I have no idea.
Just keep things simple and use the default SVP config. If that doesn't work then properly describe what you are trying to do instead of just RIFE, SVP, doesn't work.
I asked a very simple question: should be using DXVA2, DXVA2 copyback, or D3D11?
As for what I am doing, I am using madVR, SVP with RIFE and MPC-HC to watch movies at 48hz with an RTX 5080. I have a nearly identical PC with a 5070ti that does it absolutely fine but on the new PC I am dropping frames like crazy in the decoding stage, which makes me think its not a GPU or madVR problem. I copy pasted the madVR and SVP settings from the old PC so it's baffling me. I ran 3dmark and everything is up to snuff.
"a very simple question" indeed. Such a simple question that I can't be a**sed to answer. So instead I gave you a starting solution and asked you to report progress which you still have not done.
osudahiuhsdfg wrote:dawkinscm wrote:osudahiuhsdfg wrote:Can someone confirm if with RIFE I should be using DXVA2, DXVA2 copyback, or D3D11? RTX 5080 and struggling with DXVA2 copyback for some reason.
LoL. On Windows 10/11 just stick to the SVP default mpv.conf in the SVP/mpv64 folder. It does the bare minimum of what is needed to work with SVP and will make things easier for you if you don't want to read up on any of this.
What's funny? I've been using RIFE for like 3 years. I got a new computer and i'm dropping frames like crazy in decoder state. Rendering is good. I have no idea what the problem is and I don't think its madVR so it's in decoding. I think SVP is where the issue is but I have no idea.
Just keep things simple and use the default SVP config. If that doesn't work then properly describe what you are trying to do instead of just RIFE, SVP, doesn't work.
osudahiuhsdfg wrote:Can someone confirm if with RIFE I should be using DXVA2, DXVA2 copyback, or D3D11? RTX 5080 and struggling with DXVA2 copyback for some reason.
LoL. On Windows 10/11 just stick to the SVP default mpv.conf in the SVP/mpv64 folder. It does the bare minimum of what is needed to work with SVP and will make things easier for you if you don't want to read up on any of this.
There is no reason to keep updating Nvidia drivers unless you need a specific game fix or new game install. Stick with drivers that work.
flowreen91 wrote:Sopheus wrote:As a sidenote, I care about clear image more than FPS
To make image more clear by removing blur, click download zip here:
https://gist.github.com/igv/8a77e4eb827 … c1c50c317e
and put the .glsl file in a shaders folder like this:
"C:\Program Files (x86)\SVP 4\mpv64\shaders\adaptive-sharpen.glsl"
Then add this line in mpv.conf to enable it:
glsl-shaders="~~/shaders/adaptive-sharpen.glsl"
If you want to see comparison ON-OFF add this in input.conf:
CTRL+1 no-osd cycle-values glsl-shaders "~~/shaders/adaptive-sharpen.glsl" ""; show-text "AdaptiveSharpen ON-OFF"
That shader doesn't remove blur but the added sharpness can make the image look perceptually clearer. But Rife v4.25 and even that MPV config should look pretty good already. If that's the path he wants to take then there's a few different sharpness shaders to choose from. Plus you can change the sharpness settings inside the glsl file which is what I used to do.
Sopheus wrote:Hey good folks, can anyone give me advice on improving SVP settings I have at the moment primary for 4K (3832x1920) files?
You can't because RIFE you get what you get. It's been a while since I used Rife so I can't remember what IC Custom:100. But with v4.25 you should still be getting about the best image you can get outside of manually tweaking SVP settings. Your MPV config looks likes a typical Internet config but there's nothing there that should make things look less clear.
MAG79 wrote:SVP Index must show N\A when you not playback video with smoothness.
But while playback video it must show value near to 1.
At your screenshot I see you just starting to playback. Just wait for changings.
Thank. I noticed this while a video had been playing for about 1 minute so how long do I wait?
SVP Index not showing any metrics. Just N/A. I'm not using RIFE, only SVP settings at 120fps.
The higher the number, then "in general" the better the model is with fewer artifacts. This is not always the case so you can search the thread or try yourself. Rife 4.25 is probably the best but you need a decent Nvidia GPU. Basically higher number models require more GPU power.
I remove that script on every re-install. I already have an mpv thumbnail process running with the main process. So adding this extra process just makes mpv very unstable.
One card is clearly more powerful than the other so it's your choice depending on your needs. There is no simple answer to your final question but a quick search of these threads will give you more information including a thread dedicated to using LSFG and SVP. But short answer, SVP out of the box and LSFG are very similar. If you decide to use SVP with RIFE AI then MadVR adds extra GPU overhead which might favor LSFG which will be lighter on the GPU. LSFG and SVP can be combined. But with some considerable work and a decent GPU then SVP by itself is best overall.
But the end result might depend on your usage and tolerance for artifacts. I have a low tolerance so I put in the work to get the best results with SVP. Others on here are fine using SVP with RIFE AI (for example) for smoothness and accept the artifacts or are lucky enough to watch content like Anime that doesn't highlight them too much.
If others want to give you a more definite answer then good luck because there are too many variables for any definite answers to make sense. But you may only understand this after you make your decision and try things out for yourself.
flowreen91 wrote:Nice, then try to make a request to SVP devs to update default mpv config to remove "-copy", enable blend frames by default
and to drop RIFE support since out of the box SVP config outperforms in smoothness and quality.
And maybe allow users to select from menu dropdown higher values than "Movie Frame rate x6" multiplier and 240 fps. xD
Constructive feedback is always welcomed.
Not sure how serious to take this. Probably not serious at all but the questions don't make sense, even as jokes so maybe you misread a little?
1. SVP doesn't outperform RIFE "out of the box".
2. RIFE or not, SVP still needs a good GPU for the most optimised real time processing of live action content.
3. But the very early artifact riddled versions of RIFE used by some (anime?) users suggests that RIFE is still useful with lesser GPUs.
4.Why would "-copy" be removed when it might be actually needed?
5. Higher multipliers than x6 don't make much sense.
I stopped posting my configs because I was told they were useless and at that stage they could have been better which is why I called this lessons learned. A key point was not following the trend of using stupid amounts of overrides. There's a lot of valuable information on this forum but it is spread all over the place in little bits and pieces. I'm grateful for that info because it has opened my eyes to the possibilities of not using RIFE. Just trying to pay it forward a little.
1. Integer interpolation multipliers seem to work best which might be why 60fps isn't quite as smooth as it could be.
2. Most SVP defaults work best and "overrides" should be used sparingly. Otherwise you end up trying to fix problems that you caused.
3. Consistent frame pacing means less stutters. 1% lows are more consistent with "-copy".
4. Recent mpv versions will fallback to "copy" if needed which might be adding to frame pacing inconsistencies.
5. The most consistent frame-pacing on Windows mpv is with hw d3d11/d3d12.
6. If you have smooth motion with occasional micro-stutters then "Blend Frames" can help smooth them out.
7. With the above, there should be no longer be a need to increase default scene.blocks.limit for the Hugo intro.
I've said all this before, but 99% of the nasty RIFE artifacts are gone. Leaving only the occasional fast motion artifact which can be removed, but at the cost of slow pan smoothness. So unlike with RIFE, there is a choice because there are almost all artifacts can be removed. But the trick is to find the balance between zero artifacts and ultimate smoothness.
Bottom line is that if you have a good GPU and a 120Hz display then RIFE is dead.
rosetisha wrote:What is "Force the exact value" under FPS change option? Does it do good or bad? It force 120fps if on and 119.88 when of. Which one is better?
Should I use 5x or 120fps for better smoothness?
What is "Width of top coarse level" ?
"Exact value" is useful for VR devices because they have fixed frame-rates. If you hover over each SVP option, a tooltip will come up explaining what each option is for. Or you can Google it and get even more detailed explanations. I can never understand questions for "better smoothness" without even trying anything yourself first.
P.S. I took my own advice, did more searching and found new information. Bottom line as I have said before is that the SVP defaults are mostly correct. But depending on your GPU and CPU they can be tweaked to produce optimal results 
Just a reminder for those of you with Nvidia cards. Remember to set the Power Management Mode to Prefer Max Power. I forgot to set this on a different computer and although SVP still worked well, I wasn't able to optimise it to the fullest. In "Normal" power mode with SVP running, my GPU "rests" at about 103w. But in "Prefer max power" it hovers around maximum and never goes below 120w. The extra 20w removes any remaining artificial SVP bottleneck.
Sophiasm wrote:Hi everyone, when I enable SVP frame interpolation for HDR videos (HDR10) played via MPC-HC + madVR, I notice a slight color shift (especially in skin tones) compared to playback with SVP disabled. Is this expected behavior, and which SVP or madVR settings should be adjusted to preserve accurate HDR color while using SVP?
"Additional Options" -> "Allow Output in 10bit color depth".
raider10 wrote:Interesting... we need to get SVP to do DLSS, downscale the frames, then create the intermediate frames, and then upscale again to 4K to save the video, just like it does in video games. I don't know if it's possible, but I don't think it's impossible. I'm talking about transcoding, not viewing in a player, so I think the changes need to be made in the app, or on Steam, or wherever. 
I'm not an expert on this, but the app developers might have an answer that would speed things up considerably.
Now we don't need that as I explained in your thread and it is practically impossible to do a good job with SVP which unlike DLSS is an external interpolation technology.
Chainik wrote:> I used to use RIFE to watch at 80fps on a 60fps display
and there're must be 20 dropped frames per second in this case, regardless of the player settings and even regardless of what the stats prints 
I can imagine that with vsync off the player won't report any dropped frames
however the monitor will still update at 60 times per second
Yeah if I remember correctly I usually turned off Vsync or at least I played around with various timing options.
raider10 wrote:A question for the experts here: would it be possible to make RIFE work like DLSS does in games, by first downsizing the image to 1080p or 1440p and then upscaling it back to 4K? I don't think this is far-fetched, and I'm sure it would provide an extra speed boost during re-encoding. If this option exists, where should I set it up?
Greetings to everyone.
RIFE doesn't do anything. It's just an engine. SVP has the option to downscale. By default any downscaled output will be upscaled if run on a higher resolution display. Or you can control the upscale yourself with a media player. Check the SVP manual for details.
matiasflyhigh wrote:dawkinscm wrote:flowreen91 wrote:Ooh SVP updated to latest mpv version so it probably reseted your mpv.conf configuration file
and since it's newer mpv version, slight chance that it works slower than old version and might trigger this error in console:
https://gyazo.com/2cfe3723f732a057a8a838249d01320c (you can confirm by pressing ` in mpv)
Try to play around with mpv.conf settings and see which removes the stutter:
hwdec=auto
or
hwdec=no
add this too if slowdown persists:
profile=fast
If you think it's caused by bad SVP settings, then go to your SVP profile -> Automatic options selection -> and select one of the default profiles to reset it to recommended settings, and restart SVP.
This should fix the recent performance issue.
It's a more recent mpv version but not the latest, and it's not slower. Profile=fast will make some difference, but not enough to stop major packet loss. With this GPU, changing to hwdec=no will almost certainly perform worse than hwdec=auto. I also wouldn't use those SVP settings as some of them could be causing problems for your CPU as well as your GPU. Better off using Automatic after SVP checks performance, then start to tweak from there.
Also it's worth restarting SVP every so often otherwise performance will begin to suffer (possible memory leaks?).
It's nothing related to SVP; no matter what configuration I'm currently using, this problem occurs. It didn't happen a few days ago. I imagine it's some command in mpv.conf that I forgot to reset; I thought it was "display-sync=resample" or something similar. I tested them all, but nothing solved it... the lack of a backup cost me too much, hahaha.
I'm going to end up uninstalling and giving up on movies/series. I can't watch them in 1x speed; I find it too slow, and buying a product I can't use is a real shame.
I used to use RIFE to watch at 80fps on a 60fps display so what you are saying is possible, although that was on a 4080. SVP isn't the issue because no one else is suffering from this. Your SVP config could be an issue depending on your CPU which you haven't mentioned yet. Also you should post your mpv config on here. In the mean time, you can completely uninstall SVP, reboot then reinstall and retry with my previous Automatic profile suggestion.
flowreen91 wrote:matiasflyhigh wrote:Hello everyone,
a performance issue with the integrated mpv on SVP that hasn't occurred before. Recently
Ooh SVP updated to latest mpv version so it probably reseted your mpv.conf configuration file
and since it's newer mpv version, slight chance that it works slower than old version and might trigger this error in console:
https://gyazo.com/2cfe3723f732a057a8a838249d01320c (you can confirm by pressing ` in mpv)
Try to play around with mpv.conf settings and see which removes the stutter:
hwdec=auto
or
hwdec=no
add this too if slowdown persists:
profile=fast
If you think it's caused by bad SVP settings, then go to your SVP profile -> Automatic options selection -> and select one of the default profiles to reset it to recommended settings, and restart SVP.
This should fix the recent performance issue.
It's a more recent mpv version but not the latest, and it's not slower. Profile=fast will make some difference, but not enough to stop major packet loss. With this GPU, changing to hwdec=no will almost certainly perform worse than hwdec=auto. I also wouldn't use those SVP settings as some of them could be causing problems for your CPU as well as your GPU. Better off using Automatic after SVP checks performance, then start to tweak from there.
Also it's worth restarting SVP every so often otherwise performance will begin to suffer (possible memory leaks?).
Also the dropped frames rising counter doesn't always mean that you see actual issues on screen. Partially because, good displays are can hide such issues and partly because just opening the mpv overlay is a minor tax on the system which can cause mpv to drop packets if you are already at the limit.
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