1 Reply by RickyAstle98

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dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:

The artifacts are being caused by the interstitial fake frames. Adaptive mode creates more a lot more fake frames. Can't see that helping. For whatever reason, the fast motion scenes in Alita are a mess with LSFG even if using with SVP.

I dont know, but LSFG cant create more quality frames from already bad frames, since RIFE had own artifacts, LSFG just doubles/triples/quadruples the amount.

For me, RIFE v4.15v2l x3 + LSFG x3/240 create much more consistent frames, fluid.

But LSFG is generating this on it's own without RIFE. Objects on the screen become so warped they become almost unrecognizable. But only with this one movie.

Anyway, thats better than 24>240 natively which pulls my GPU at above 80 degrees huh, also not smooth.

Warped? You can play with tolerances, warped UI? Can play with UI detection thresholds.

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2 Reply by RickyAstle98

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dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:

OK the artifacts issue is just one movie.  I can get 120 natively but  with LSFG  I suppose I can only get 120 by running SVP at 60 with 2 multiplier.

Try adaptive mode target.

The artifacts are being caused by the interstitial fake frames. Adaptive mode creates more a lot more fake frames. Can't see that helping. For whatever reason, the fast motion scenes in Alita are a mess with LSFG even if using with SVP.

I dont know, but LSFG cant create more quality frames from already bad frames, since RIFE had own artifacts, LSFG just doubles/triples/quadruples the amount.

For me, RIFE v4.15v2l x3 + LSFG x3/240 create much more consistent frames, fluid.

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3 Reply by RickyAstle98

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dawkinscm wrote:

OK the artifacts issue is just one movie.  I can get 120 natively but  with LSFG  I suppose I can only get 120 by running SVP at 60 with 2 multiplier.

Try adaptive mode target.

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4 Reply by RickyAstle98

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Chainik wrote:

guys, this topic is about RIFE, not lsfg

We know, but we use RIFE through SVP and also upgrading everything w/LSFG ontop smile

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5 Reply by RickyAstle98

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Chainik wrote:

> some VF filters ignored in 291 build

be more specific

Net.

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6 Reply by RickyAstle98

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Honza wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:

Or just put download link to 0.40.0-290 please?

Update in SVP gives me 0.40.0-291

I need 290 lmao, some VF filters ignored in 291 build, cant find this build in internet.

Update: I FIX ISSUE MYSELF AGAIN.

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7 Reply by RickyAstle98

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@Chainik, what happened to new update? The mpv update broken, prevents filters usage.

Or just put download link to 0.40.0-290 please?

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8 Reply by RickyAstle98

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dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:

It basically brute forces SVP into working, so even running with IC at 8% is still smooth.  No need for LSFG, config files or anything else. Seen it with my own eyes. I'm sure LSFG helps with smoothness overall, but this just works.

Its always system dependant, on my machine, SVP (RIFE) works better than friends beast setup, different drivers can make huge difference, especially on high end machines.
As 4070 user, can clearly state 50 series lmao expensive thing, no need for LSFG? You cant do 4K X10 on 5090 yet!

Im talking about people who have very high refresh monitors like 360 Hertz or even greater! I will upgrade to 600Hz monitor soon!

So what do you do about the fast motion artifacts?

Nothing, just doing RIFE x3 + 240Hz target!

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9 Reply by RickyAstle98

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dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:

It's a bit of a beast. With something like that you realize how much of the smoothness depends on the GPU.

Requote my previous post please, updated details, not depends, smoother on my GPU lmao!

It basically brute forces SVP into working, so even running with IC at 8% is still smooth.  No need for LSFG, config files or anything else. Seen it with my own eyes. I'm sure LSFG helps with smoothness overall, but this just works.

Its always system dependant, on my machine, SVP (RIFE) works better than friends beast setup, different drivers can make huge difference, especially on high end machines.
As 4070 user, can clearly state 50 series lmao expensive thing, no need for LSFG? You cant do 4K X10 on 5090 yet!

Im talking about people who have very high refresh monitors like 360 Hertz or even greater! I will upgrade to 600Hz monitor soon!

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10 Reply by RickyAstle98

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dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:

BTW I've just seen someone running SVP with my settings. The RTX 4080 runs at around 100% on my machine. The 5090 runs the same settings at 38%!!!

Just seen someone running SVP exactly my settings (5 days ago / LSFG ontop)
RTX 4070 OC peaks 88% GPU usage @ 1.100V (72C)
RTX 5090 peaks 35% GPU usage @ 0.960V (55C)

It's a bit of a beast. With something like that you realize how much of the smoothness depends on the GPU.

Requote my previous post please, updated details, not depends, smoother on my GPU lmao!

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11 Reply by RickyAstle98

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dawkinscm wrote:

BTW I've just seen someone running SVP with my settings. The RTX 4080 runs at around 100% on my machine. The 5090 runs the same settings at 38%!!!

Just seen someone running SVP exactly my settings (5 days ago / LSFG ontop)
RTX 4070 OC peaks 88% GPU usage @ 1.100V (72C)
RTX 5090 peaks 35% GPU usage @ 0.960V (55C)

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12 Reply by RickyAstle98

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flowreen91 wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:

You DIDNT changed CONFIGURATION FILE parameters, real timestamp tolerance to 1 plz, then try to generate, LSFG will ignore generated frames and will duplicate or generate stutter frames instead of generating! Actual GPU usage decreased, tried to use on 90% usage before LSFG ontop, hidden trick only adds extra 2% without drops!

If i set real_timestamp_tolerance to 1, it shows 24/1000 fps but panning scenes move choppy exactly like original 24 fps, meaning it moves like 1x with scaling effect ON.
https://gyazo.com/1e5904f7c6a47c63612a93f2f134247f
Where is the black insertion setting and what does it do?
For performance increase, just change HDR support checkbox to OFF, that's the real memory hog.

After further tweaking, i think these settings actually improve smoothness, giving stable fps:
https://gyazo.com/d059ced2c024cab4abc2f9a972b92377
Thanks Ricky!

But why do you need 1000 fps? You have 1000 hertz monitor? Your settings just prevents LSFG from work, but continuously synchronize to monitor, which is an trick btw.

Frametime_buffer_size: should be higher than 3 for general frame generation workloads (1 will prevent to generate frames)
Real_timestamp_tolerance: by default, Fixed generation modes use own presentation tolerance, not applicable for overlap values.
Note1: Why buffer higher than 3? Because LSFG will stutter time-to-time even with huge headroom, tested, tweaked, always the same, cant say about 50 series users!
Note2: About overlap values, for example, when you set tolerance to -0.51 for Fixed 2x LSFG mode, you will see weird flashing artefacts, -0.50 works as intended!

Queue target: the difference between 0/2 vary about 80% extra latency in cost of better handling capture variations!
Max frame latency: theres no dramatic difference between 3/15 value, for me, during Crew Motorfest (capped 60 fps online game), 0/4 works better than 1/3 respectively!

Capture: WGC is not reccomended at all, because performance suffers under high GPU loads, but deal w/overlays, DXGI will work worse with overlays, but doesnt suffers too much, like video capture, Discord, etc!

Only Windows 11 users can use WGC for latency purposes, measured WGC under medium headroom, lower than DXGI queue targeted to 1! Insane? Yeah, but not neccessary!

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13 Reply by RickyAstle98

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flowreen91 wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:

You DIDNT changed CONFIGURATION FILE parameters, real timestamp tolerance to 1 plz, then try to generate, LSFG will ignore generated frames and will duplicate or generate stutter frames instead of generating! Actual GPU usage decreased, tried to use on 90% usage before LSFG ontop, hidden trick only adds extra 2% without drops!

If i set real_timestamp_tolerance to 1, it shows 24/1000 fps but panning scenes move choppy exactly like original 24 fps, meaning it moves like 1x with scaling effect ON.
https://gyazo.com/1e5904f7c6a47c63612a93f2f134247f
Where is the black insertion setting and what does it do?
For performance increase, just change HDR support checkbox to OFF, that's the real memory hog.


Theres no black insertion setting, I trying to implement BFI/CRT shader in timestamp interval, no progress!

I dont need HDR support big_smile

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14 Reply by RickyAstle98

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You DIDNT changed CONFIGURATION FILE parameters, real timestamp tolerance to 1 plz, then try to generate, LSFG will ignore generated frames and will duplicate or generate stutter frames instead of generating! Actual GPU usage decreased, tried to use on 90% usage before LSFG ontop, hidden trick only adds extra 2% without drops!

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15 Reply by RickyAstle98

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dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:

LSFG was on sale so I bought a copy. I was able to get very smooth motion with 3.1 4x multiplier and 2.7 x2 or x4 (can't remember). Used by itself there is almost no hit on the GPU but the artifacts are obvious and pretty horrible. With SVP I was finally able to get them working together. But, LSFG has horrible artifacts for fast motion which ever way you use it which is a shame because otherwise it would be great.

1) The LSFG alone provides better frame/motion handling than basic SVP algorithm at any settings, also better UI detection, the text and UI elements almost ignored for interpolation!
2) Dont mix SVP/LSFG algorithms together, RIFE/LSFG for better quality and perfect smoothness levels!
3) You can play with CONFIG through Lossless directory, you can make zero interpolation look better, magic!

About 3rd: when you want flatten the playback out of RIFE alone - make sure you edited framerate_tolerance to 1 and interplation multiplier to 1, which would trigger interesting things, better suited with black frame insertion, CRT shader, not implemented yet!

1. It does seem overall to be smoother than even Rife
2. I meant Rife/LSFG.
3. With multiplier set to one, I get massive judder with or without Rife so it's not a GPU thing.

OK. I've found the issue. Rife is smoother with MPV than MPC but GPU usage is a little heavier. VR pushes it over the top so there is no headroom. But it seems to work with LSFG for MPC.

3. Theres no judder with proper CONFIG .cfg parameters, you can make no interpolation looks better, LSFG has a lot of hidden tricks! Thats GPU and backend thing!
1. Ofcourse LSFG smoother, tested many times, smoothness is our priority!

Hidden trick: with proper .cfg parameters, for example, you want to trigger 2x LFC instead of monitor 3x LFC strategy, works!
Example: video container 24 fps > 2x interpolation w/real timestamp tolerance 1, with that hybrid I can actually activate black frame insertion thing!

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16 Reply by RickyAstle98

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dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:

I should mention that I'm using VR which means I have less GPU headroom then you do. But FWIW, after more testing I've found an IC 6% setup that works with slow pans and fast action and doesn't stutter in between. There are a few decent Nvidia drivers but 366.36 is still the most stutter free. I've re-enabled MPO and using Windows Optimizations with MPV. Before I was able to run Exclusive-fs without Optimizations and I may return to that, but this also works. I've always run MPV without hwdec, but for IC 6%, hwdec seems to be better. Interpolation is running also. Finally for VR, regular rebooting of the router is absolutely necessary otherwise random stutters will happen because of the wifi connection between the headset and router.

The end result is smooth without the Rife v4.25 vertical motion artifacts and only very occasional micro-stutters.

Stutter-free: 565.90 driver (threshold 15%)
External capture: 72 fps (to count every single VRR jitter/stutters)

Rule: everything less than 8% of movie duration can be considered as stutter-free!

Capture results: 5.8% of stutters (high GPU load)
Capture results: 4.0% of stutters (medium GPU load)

Capture results: 4.5% of stutters (RIFE x3 + LSFG x1)
Capture results: 3.5% of stutters (RIFE x3 + LSFG x1)

LSFG was on sale so I bought a copy. I was able to get very smooth motion with 3.1 4x multiplier and 2.7 x2 or x4 (can't remember). Used by itself there is almost no hit on the GPU but the artifacts are obvious and pretty horrible. With SVP I was finally able to get them working together. But, LSFG has horrible artifacts for fast motion which ever way you use it which is a shame because otherwise it would be great.

1) The LSFG alone provides better frame/motion handling than basic SVP algorithm at any settings, also better UI detection, the text and UI elements almost ignored for interpolation!
2) Dont mix SVP/LSFG algorithms together, RIFE/LSFG for better quality and perfect smoothness levels!
3) You can play with CONFIG through Lossless directory, you can make zero interpolation look better, magic!

About 3rd: when you want flatten the playback out of RIFE alone - make sure you edited framerate_tolerance to 1 and interplation multiplier to 1, which would trigger interesting things, better suited with black frame insertion, CRT shader, not implemented yet!

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17 Reply by RickyAstle98

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zxcvbnm821 wrote:

Has HAGS improved enough that you no longer recommend turning it off for RIFE?
What’s the current advice — keep it on unless it causes stutter, or disable it for smoother playback?

Depends on operation system, for me, as Windows 10 user, turning off HAGS improves realtime playback (faster seek) and transcoding speeds about 10% average!
Stutters depends on GPU drivers, for me, 565.90 stable is the smoothest driver ever tested!

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18 Reply by RickyAstle98

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dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:

Type: Tried all the types. Fixed refresh isn't possible, only Adaptive.
Flow scale: I tried 25% as well as 50%
Capture: Tried this just now.
Sync mode: I use Vsync. Tried without just in case.
Gsync is off and all Nvidia gsync settings have been disabled on my machine.
I also cropped about 40% of the screen assuming 20 at the top and bottom does that.

None of the above made any difference. I'm using too much GPU. V2 models no longer make any real difference for me. I recently noticed a difference in quality between v1 and v2 models which is why I went back to v1. I never noticed it before, but my viewing equipment is much better with 4k per eye resolution and better overall clarity.

Then thats GPU issue, too high peaks, need some headroom to make LSFG work with!

UPD: I dont understand people with Windows 11 and 4K monitors, that trying to make 4K at newest models!
For me, RIFE x2 (FullHD) + LSFG refresh target, enough, better than RIFE x3 and also smoother, double effect!

I should mention that I'm using VR which means I have less GPU headroom then you do. But FWIW, after more testing I've found an IC 6% setup that works with slow pans and fast action and doesn't stutter in between. There are a few decent Nvidia drivers but 366.36 is still the most stutter free. I've re-enabled MPO and using Windows Optimizations with MPV. Before I was able to run Exclusive-fs without Optimizations and I may return to that, but this also works. I've always run MPV without hwdec, but for IC 6%, hwdec seems to be better. Interpolation is running also. Finally for VR, regular rebooting of the router is absolutely necessary otherwise random stutters will happen because of the wifi connection between the headset and router.

The end result is smooth without the Rife v4.25 vertical motion artifacts and only very occasional micro-stutters.

Stutter-free: 565.90 driver (threshold 15%)
External capture: 72 fps (to count every single VRR jitter/stutters)

Rule: everything less than 8% of movie duration can be considered as stutter-free!

Capture results: 5.8% of stutters (high GPU load)
Capture results: 4.0% of stutters (medium GPU load)

Capture results: 4.5% of stutters (RIFE x3 + LSFG x1)
Capture results: 3.5% of stutters (RIFE x3 + LSFG x1)

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19 Reply by RickyAstle98

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dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:

What other settings are there that have can reduce GPU load without affecting quality? I will try those.

Type: 3.1 (better overall) / Fixed x2 / Adaptive refresh
Flow scale: for 4K you can use lowest possible 25% without performance mode
Capture: WGC recommended for Win11 users, try both, WGC provides less latency!
Queue target: ofcourse 2 (cuz we already at peaks)
Sync mode: Vsync
Max frame latency: 15
GSync support: supposed to be off (when you targeting refresh)

Type: Tried all the types. Fixed refresh isn't possible, only Adaptive.
Flow scale: I tried 25% as well as 50%
Capture: Tried this just now.
Sync mode: I use Vsync. Tried without just in case.
Gsync is off and all Nvidia gsync settings have been disabled on my machine.
I also cropped about 40% of the screen assuming 20 at the top and bottom does that.

None of the above made any difference. I'm using too much GPU. V2 models no longer make any real difference for me. I recently noticed a difference in quality between v1 and v2 models which is why I went back to v1. I never noticed it before, but my viewing equipment is much better with 4k per eye resolution and better overall clarity.

Then thats GPU issue, too high peaks, need some headroom to make LSFG work with!

UPD: I dont understand people with Windows 11 and 4K monitors, that trying to make 4K at newest models!
For me, RIFE x2 (FullHD) + LSFG refresh target, enough, better than RIFE x3 and also smoother, double effect!

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20 Reply by RickyAstle98

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dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:

Thanks for the offer, but I don't have any settings because tried everything except anything that said quality drop like performance mode. 3.1 is a no/no. 2.1 with x2 works. 1.1 I think works worse than 2.1. Flow scale set to 50% and scaling scaling off.

Not only flow scale or generation type can make a difference at high loads, play with different settings, as LSFG professional owner, can say proper settings!

What other settings are there that have can reduce GPU load without affecting quality? I will try those.

Type: 3.1 (better overall) / Fixed x2 / Adaptive (try both)
Flow scale: 25% enough for 4K w/o performance mode
Capture: WGC recommended for Win11 users (try both)
Queue target: 2 (cuz we already at peaks)
Sync mode: Vsync (most vblanks greater smoothness)
Max frame latency: 15 (reduced overhead)
GSync support: Off/On (target refresh / x2)

I dont use v1 models, try v2 models too, always about 15% greater transcoding speed, which means greater realtime performance!

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21 Reply by RickyAstle98

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dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:

Using 3D, 100% GPU spikes but mostly around 90% so smile

Depends on settings, just drop your settings screenshot, will try to bring usable parameters, LSFG doesnt work better at peaks, cant discard frames just-in-time, unload frames in-time!

Thanks for the offer, but I don't have any settings because tried everything except anything that said quality drop like performance mode. 3.1 is a no/no. 2.1 with x2 works. 1.1 I think works worse than 2.1. Flow scale set to 50% and scaling scaling off.

Not only flow scale or generation type can make a difference at high loads, play with different settings, as LSFG professional owner, can say proper settings!

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22 Reply by RickyAstle98

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dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:

Thanks for the try out smile My 4080 drops too many frame when I try to run this and Rife v4.25 with 4K 3D unless I use LSFG 2.1 x2 scale. Even at 1440p in the lower quality adaptive mode too many frames get dropped when running LSFG 3.1. Maybe Performance mode would work but there's no point if I'm going to loose the laser projector like quality I have. Interesting software though.

What LS settings are you running? Just drop screenshot, dont use LSFG on 3D content, works differently!

Dont use LSFG when your performance already at peaks, LSFG about 8 times less resource-sensitive, but you cant get 240FPS out-of-box when your system only allows 160 for example!

The rule of thumb: can run RIFE x3? = can run RIFE x2 + LSFG x4 easy!

Using 3D, 100% GPU spikes but mostly around 90% so smile

Depends on settings, just drop your settings screenshot, will try to bring usable parameters, LSFG doesnt work better at peaks, cant discard frames just-in-time, unload frames in-time!

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23 Reply by RickyAstle98

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dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:

Where do you get it from? Steam purchase?

Yes, Steam purchase, 1.5$ on sale, but you can use LS program w/o Steam!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oS9coY … sp=sharing

UPD: Tested on 8 different PC and 3 operation systems, LS behavior always the same, magic works!

Thanks for the try out smile My 4080 drops too many frame when I try to run this and Rife v4.25 with 4K 3D unless I use LSFG 2.1 x2 scale. Even at 1440p in the lower quality adaptive mode too many frames get dropped when running LSFG 3.1. Maybe Performance mode would work but there's no point if I'm going to loose the laser projector like quality I have. Interesting software though.

What LS settings are you running? Just drop screenshot, dont use LSFG on 3D content, works differently!

Dont use LSFG when your performance already at peaks, LSFG about 8 times less resource-sensitive, but you cant get 240FPS out-of-box when your system only allows 160 for example!

The rule of thumb: can run RIFE x3? = can run RIFE x2 + LSFG x4 easy!

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24 Reply by RickyAstle98

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dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:

Did some more testing. My Nvidia MPO on Windows 11 works well, especially for fast motion, but I was having issues with slow panning. Turning off MPO is better for slow pans, smoother overall, almost stutter free at 6% and pretty much stutter free at 8%. Since MPO is off I've also turned off the other Windows optimisations since Nvidia MPO is designed to work with them. More testing to do but, Optical Flow is helping smoothness again but without the stutters or at least that is the case so far. I'm basically back to where I was at the start lol.

Looks like only LSFG works well, no matter of drivers, making low framerate content look better!
RIFE + LSFG = better (for me)

As better, because RIFE 24>72 looks good but framepacing issue still occurs (driver issue), LSFG 72 target, voila, buttery smooth! Magic!

Where do you get it from? Steam purchase?

Yes, Steam purchase, 1.5$ on sale, but you can use LS program w/o Steam!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oS9coY … sp=sharing

UPD: Tested on 8 different PC and 3 operation systems, LS behavior always the same, magic works!

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25 Reply by RickyAstle98

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dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:

Never heard of Special K but it looks interesting. Some of what it does is kind of what I'm doing but with Windows 11.

BTW what do you do with the Sync intervals, disable it?

Update:I've been testing my new settings with fast action. But I just tested my new settings with slow panning shots and it forced me to make some changes to my original recommendations.

As of today my settings are SVP: Rife v4.25, IC 8%, Blend Adjacent Frames. MPV: Interpolation on, resample audio. GPU: 577 or 566.36. Windows 11 Optimization for Windowed Apps: MPV

Optical flow seems to also help possibly removing the need for the overclock but at the cost of the occasional major stutter so nope.

The sync intervals prevents NVIDIA default driver compositor deliver frames non-directly, monitor VRR in charge, but breaks at seek again!
As I said, this is just VRR framepacing issue through the driver level, older drivers or LSFG ontop prevents monitor spontaneous refreshes, as you can see, earlier, I noticed how much VRR jumps got through standard MPV playback on new stable drivers, which not happens with LSFG ontop or after SpecialK injection, SpecialK makes 72FPS content not only smooth, but fast, not sure how that effect occurs, tested Gemini movie at real 60FPS compared to 24>60 and was surprised how SpecialK deliver frames, but I dont know how to inject SpecialK through MPV swapchain directly!

UPD: Found best solution to change present methods through NVPI program (inspector)! WORKS!!!

Did some more testing. My Nvidia MPO on Windows 11 works well, especially for fast motion, but I was having issues with slow panning. Turning off MPO is better for slow pans, smoother overall, almost stutter free at 6% and pretty much stutter free at 8%. Since MPO is off I've also turned off the other Windows optimisations since Nvidia MPO is designed to work with them. More testing to do but, Optical Flow is helping smoothness again but without the stutters or at least that is the case so far. I'm basically back to where I was at the start lol.

Looks like only LSFG works well, no matter of drivers, making low framerate content look better!
RIFE + LSFG = better (for me)

As better, because RIFE 24>72 looks good but framepacing issue still occurs (driver issue), LSFG 72 target, voila, buttery smooth! Magic!

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