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Drakko01 wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:

Whats the default align/valign values for SVP4 Pro? I forgot that I used 2x2 all the time, maybe thats why all models starting 4.16 looks fragmentary smooth!

Fragmentary smooth - when a small parts of one large object can be interpolated differently, even being a same large object! For example: faces, 4.4 to 4.16 faces looks buttery smooth, from 4.17 to 4.26 small parts like lips, cheeks, ears and other objects can be separated from the frame! There were cases when the lips moved apart alone, never happens for 4.4 to 4.16 before, also happens when the main object in the frame is interpolated correctly, but all the background moving both axis, looks like one step forward-two steps back frame!

The 4.26 new model is worse than 4.15 lite in Matrix rooftop 3 agents opening the doors, pattern errors on door textures, no door errors in 4.15v2 (both mod32 and mod64 input)!

Too noticeable door errors 4.4 (worst)
Less noticeable door errors 4.9 (okay)
No door errors 4.11 to 4.16 (perfect)

For testing what you stated, can you provide or indicate the exact scene.thanks

Nevermind, just say default align/valign values, thanks! The rendered results will look different on different PCs!

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dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:

Whats the default align/valign values for SVP4 Pro? I forgot that I used 2x2 all the time, maybe thats why all models starting 4.16 looks fragmentary smooth!

Fragmentary smooth - when a small parts of one large object can be interpolated differently, even being a same large object! For example: faces, 4.4 to 4.16 faces looks buttery smooth, from 4.17 to 4.26 small parts like lips, cheeks, ears and other objects can be separated from the frame! There were cases when the lips moved apart alone, never happens for 4.4 to 4.16 before, also happens when the main object in the frame is interpolated correctly, but all the background moving both axis, looks like one step forward-two steps back frame!

The 4.26 new model is worse than 4.15 lite in Matrix rooftop 3 agents opening the doors, pattern errors on door textures, no door errors in 4.15v2 (both mod32 and mod64 input)!

Too noticeable door errors 4.4 (worst)
Less noticeable door errors 4.9 (okay)
No door errors 4.11 to 4.16 (perfect)

Are you talking about 4.26 lite only because the lite models do behave differently to the normal ones.

The 4.26 lite? I dont see 4.26 lite model, where is it? Youre wrong!

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128 Reply by RickyAstle98

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Whats the default align/valign values for SVP4 Pro? I forgot that I used 2x2 all the time, maybe thats why all models starting 4.16 looks fragmentary smooth!

Fragmentary smooth - when a small parts of one large object can be interpolated differently, even being a same large object! For example: faces, 4.4 to 4.16 faces looks buttery smooth, from 4.17 to 4.26 small parts like lips, cheeks, ears and other objects can be separated from the frame! There were cases when the lips moved apart alone, never happens for 4.4 to 4.16 before, also happens when the main object in the frame is interpolated correctly, but all the background moving both axis, looks like one step forward-two steps back frame!

The 4.26 new model is worse than 4.15 lite in Matrix rooftop 3 agents opening the doors, pattern errors on door textures, no door errors in 4.15v2 (both mod32 and mod64 input)!

Too noticeable door errors 4.4 (worst)
Less noticeable door errors 4.9 (okay)
No door errors 4.11 to 4.16 (perfect)

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129 Reply by RickyAstle98

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oriento wrote:

4.22 lite is out !

Smoother than any other lite models, except 4.15 (for me atleast)
TRT 10.3 / opt_level 2 / engine built average time - 26 seconds (720p)
Different behavior with different aspect ratios and containers!

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130 Reply by RickyAstle98

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frc.threads - concurrent frames
mpv_add - buffered frames

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131 Reply by RickyAstle98

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dawkinscm wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:

As he said above, on average he got around an 8 fps improvement. But this stat should be taken in the context of dev notes that suggest there might be be specific situations where the performance might be slightly worse.

My actual scenarios
v14test3 320fps / v15.2 310fps (4.4v2 with 1.78 dynamic shape and 320 fps with 2.35 dynamic shape)
Starting models 4.16 everything gets worse, just a performance drops variables from 6 to 12% respectively, the movie dynamic shapes always faster (even when the targeted resolution is slightly higher)

So it works better with Performance Boost disabled? Am I understanding this correctly?

Yes and no! Easier explanation - depending on the aspect ratio of the sources, depending on the resolution and the model used, performance can be either increased to 2% or degraded to 12% with or without TRT boost option! Seek performance is night and day with boost enabled! I did not regret that I switched to a new library!
So - with 15.2 you gets maximum 12% performance degradation, but practically is just 6% of that!

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dawkinscm wrote:
flowreen91 wrote:
aloola wrote:

v15.2 gives me a tiny FPS boost
v14test3 ~150fps vs ~ v15.2 ~158fps, also fixed dynamic shape (Performance boost: off) bug

15.2 changelog:

    Upgraded to TensorRT 10.3.0.

    Fixed performance regression of RIFE and SAFA models starting with vs-mlrt v14.test4. This version may still be slightly slower than vs-mlrt v14.test3 under some conditions, however.

Looking forward to @aloola benchmarks for the new TensorRT like he did before:
https://www.svp-team.com/forum/viewtopi … 324#p84324

As he said above, on average he got around an 8 fps improvement. But this stat should be taken in the context of dev notes that suggest there might be be specific situations where the performance might be slightly worse.

My actual scenarios
v14test3 320fps / v15.2 310fps (4.4v2 with 1.78 dynamic shape and 320 fps with 2.35 dynamic shape)
Starting models 4.16 everything gets worse, just a performance drops variables from 6 to 12% respectively, the movie dynamic shapes always faster (even when the targeted resolution is slightly higher)

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133 Reply by RickyAstle98

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Xenocyde wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:

New TensorRT library!
https://github.com/AmusementClub/vs-mlr … a.v15.2.7z

Worth installing over 9.2?

According to my realtime tests and encoding tests, the difference is starting to increase from 4.16 models!
The old models like 4.4 (v1/v2) encoding speed with 2% performance difference and maximum to 12% for newest models!
Fixed my issues? Nope, but now models look smoother a little bit! Seek performance? Variable!
Worth? If you want, you can test, for me new models looks smoother, what happens to you - who knows?!

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134 Reply by RickyAstle98

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New TensorRT library!
https://github.com/AmusementClub/vs-mlr … a.v15.2.7z

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135 Reply by RickyAstle98

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Insindro wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:
Blackfyre wrote:

Massive difference in size! wow hopefully I can run 4K 2x with a 3090, but I highly doubt it. Usually I have to wait for the Lite v2, but even then, not all of them can run.

Idk why but everything after 4.16 v2 always not smooth, now even container fix doesnt affect 4.20v1v2 models! RTX 4070 whats wrong?

Container fix?

For example I have some videos that not smooth 4.10+ models with mkv container (this issue affects all mkv containers), mp4 container fixes this issue sometimes!

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Blackfyre wrote:
dawkinscm wrote:

Rife v4.20 has been released. I didn't do a large amount of testing but I did check the few remaining artefacts I know of and there doesn't seem to be a clear  difference to v4.15/v4.18 on my system.

Update: Apparently v4.20 is great when using 16x interpolation with Anime. I would be interested to hear if that is helpful for anyone.

Massive difference in size! wow hopefully I can run 4K 2x with a 3090, but I highly doubt it. Usually I have to wait for the Lite v2, but even then, not all of them can run.

Idk why but everything after 4.16 v2 always not smooth, now even container fix doesnt affect 4.20v1v2 models! RTX 4070 whats wrong?

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137 Reply by RickyAstle98

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donnieyeen wrote:

Did anybody try to manually update the TRT libraries to v15.1: latest TensorRT library? Any benefits over the standard TRT install from SVP?

TRT library 9.2 (4070) : 4.15v2 lite = 720p@24 x7 without drops
TRT library 15 : 4.15v2 lite = 720p@24 x5 with drops

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138 Reply by RickyAstle98

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Xenocyde wrote:

Guys, do I need to disable hwdec=auto-copy in config? MPV got updated and it reset my config file.

Actually no, auto-copy better for RIFE procedures, for me for example (RTX 4070 user)

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139 Reply by RickyAstle98

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dawkinscm wrote:

OK so after more testing my current settings are:

TensorRT: 9.2
SC: Image Detect
SCT: 25%
AdjFra: Blend

Disabled similar to when previously set to SCT: 100%
SVP motion vectors work nicely except for Hugo.
NVOP was the worse in previous testing and nothing has changed.

Idk how you test, everything works as intended, check my previous comment, everything over 15/25% is similiar to look!

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dawkinscm wrote:
Chainik wrote:

SVP 4.6.0.272

1. added motion vectors-based scene change detection for RIFE
2. configurable "decrease to..." function (on the "Frame size" page) - selectable target resolution and downscaling filter

Thanks for the update. I decided to completely reinstall everything to remove any changes I made. The results so far are that
- SVOP and Image Comparison and disabled give very similar results.
- NVOF might be a little worse overall but still similar.
- This is the same as before except that all of them feel a little less smooth than the previous setup with SC set to 100.
- Setting SC to 100 with this new software seems to be similar to the others as well. Although when I add back the MVP interpolation code that helps. I also put back the TensorRT9.2 files.

Let's see what others say.

Everything works when SC threshold lower than 15% (yes), NVOF handles fast paced scenes a lot better, SVP vectors just duplicate frames, Image Comparison almost the same with dump method (over 15%)
Over 25% every methods handles frame almost the same (as dumb/comparison method)

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StanTheMan wrote:

Hey, guys!
Users of 4070 Super and 4080 Super, please respond, how's the RIFE doing?
Currently i have 3060 Ti and plan to upgrade. Ultimately, i want to upgrade to 4080 Super, but the most real scenario that i will upgrade to 4070 Super (not even Ti), because of budget. What about fps that 4070 Super or 4080 Super can provide? Is it handle 4K or not? Also, what about GPU Super Resolution upscale in the Media Player Classic (MPC Render), can it handle? I use Super Res in the level 1 (of 4), it's great performance with picture quality 1080->4K, but i want the full 4 levels. I watch only in 60 fps.

As 4070 user almost 8 month, tested too many times, can it handle 4K? For example my GPU can run 2X@4K up to 4.9v2 models (struggles), Super almost the same, so yes, can handle (4.10+ models are more agressive)! Dont know too much about GPU Super Resolution, but it doesnt helps with target framerates imho! You watch only in 60FPS, 4K 24>60 is bad idea even for older models, its uses more resources than 3X factor! I downscale movies to HD and then 6X because of monitor! I think 4K>2K/2.5K will be enough for 24>60 procedures, without significant image quality drop!

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142 Reply by RickyAstle98

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dawkinscm wrote:
flowreen91 wrote:
Xenocyde wrote:

Unfortunately I can still see microstuttering

I noticed that if i exit specific background apps like TeamViewer, i suddenly get 20-30 extra fps with SVP.
I believe TeamViewer reads the memory and causes a bottleneck even when it's minimized in taskbar.

Xenocyde try to close your 200 Chrome tabs and other background apps and see if u find the specific app that causes that microstuttering. It's good to know.
Try it with the 4.17 lite version cause it's easier on the GPU:
https://github.com/AmusementClub/vs-mlr … nal-models

The v4.17 lite version is an experiment and from what I see, it's worse than even v4.17.

As originally stated, the lite versions have lower accuracy of temporal calculations, so from some of my early tests I noticed artifacts where even older versions would have better!
For example : 4.16v2 still can produce wavy zigzag artefacts in specific pattern areas, while 4.9v2 artefact does no exist (only SPECIFIC areas)!

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143 Reply by RickyAstle98

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flowreen91 wrote:

67% GPU sounds good. Don't think it's a resource issue then.
V2 models give much better fps than V1 models. So u should see significant improvements from using them.

Xenocyde wrote:

Yes, vsync is always on.

Try to set rife_sc to 100 in SVP so it will not cause microstuttering from repeating frames when a scene change is detected.

Xenocyde, could vsync syncing cause microstuttering then? Cause every time i try to test with video-sync=display-resample it breaks the soap opera effect on panning scenes.
Try to test with it temporarily disabled by adding these in mpv config too:

# D3D11 renderer (default) is required for the HDR playback
gpu-api=d3d11
# disable VSync
video-sync=audio
d3d11-sync-interval=0


Removing vsync wait times from the equation should allow the RIFE generated frames to be displayed realtime. Even if u set it to 120 fps on a 60 fps capped monitor. xD

Sadly there is still no solution for microstuttering in general, its not produced by RIFE itself, its something else, happens!

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144 Reply by RickyAstle98

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dawkinscm wrote:
Xenocyde wrote:

I have an RTX 4080 and I only play 1080p TV series or 4K downscaled to 1080p @2.5X fps with RIFE 4.15. Maximum GPU utilization I see is around 67%. Microstutters are not too often, maybe once every 15 minutes at most.
...
There was a time when microstutters did not occur at all, but who even knows what version of RIFE or what drivers I was using back then.

The occasional micro-stutter isn't a major issue of course, but it's surprising that your GPU is hitting 67% with downscaling. For me it's around 30% with the same GPU. I use mpv player.

Propably yes, but sometimes overlays shows false % usage, 4.9v2 shows 88% for 3X when I can 6X without drops, 70% SVP RTX users use HAGS, thats why usage is higher!

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145 Reply by RickyAstle98

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Chainik wrote:

> instead finding rife_sc all the time?

just don't close the window big_smile

sad

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146 Reply by RickyAstle98

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Chainik wrote:

> Then how to make proper frame blending when RIFE_SC threshold over 15?

this is why you need a MV-based scene change detection instead of dumb image comparison

Last question, how to add custom scene change values into SVP UI instead finding rife_sc all the time?

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147 Reply by RickyAstle98

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Chainik wrote:

> Then how to make proper frame blending when RIFE_SC threshold over 15?

this is why you need a MV-based scene change detection instead of dumb image comparison

I did already, I fix this issue, tooks about 5 minutes to find out, anyway thanks!
Update : I also noticed seek performance drop, about 2x times with NVOF vectors used!

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pensioner600 wrote:

I also noticed that ALL versions of V2 give the entire picture a shake, which is very clearly visible on a static scene on small light objects on a dark background. I noticed a long time ago that something was wrong, but I didn’t have time to watch movies. Versions NOT V2 and lite no jitter. I’m definitely switching to 15lite or 16lite, even if it’s x3, not x4. V2 is complete nonsense. Today I devoted half a day to tests, a lot became clear))

Picture shake happens depending on the model and fps targets, if you let RIFE profile do 60fps exact, picture shake may occur, also different TRT behave differently!
Example : 4.4v2 fixed 60 fps 25>60 (picture shake) / 4.4v2 2.5x 25>62.5 (picture shake fixed) / 4.9v2 (no picture shakes)
I have no idea if you see picture shake on 2x 3x 4x factors or something, I dont see picture shake, I use TRT 9.2 library!

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150 Reply by RickyAstle98

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RAGEdemon wrote:
RickyAstle98 wrote:
RAGEdemon wrote:

Bro, you can easily get 4K RIFE: use 4.4 to double your fps and sync to 48Hz refresh (for 24fps source). Honestly, it looks butter smooth. I would be hard-pressed to notice this vs 60/120. The magic is ensuring the output FPS matches your refresh.

I know about my 4070 capabilities, but in 4.4 too much artefacts (not critical but noticeable), secondly I dont need sync anything, GSync matches movies automatically! No magic at all!
My standard solutions for movies >
1) 4.4v2 1280x720 24>144
2) 4.9v2 1280x720 24>144
3) 4.15v2l 1280x720 24>144

Each iteration after 4.4 causes a massive performance hit @~16% for minimal artefact improvement. Above 4.9 is trained mostly on Anime.

What you say doesn't make sense to me. You say you don't use 4.4 because "too much artefacts (not critical but noticeable)", but then you are happy to force downscale all 4K and 1080p content to 1280x720p?! And you don't notice the huge degradation in quality?

I am guessing you don't have a 4K display, or else you wouldn't be saying something so seemingly bizarre smile

To each their own, I guess...

Who said my monitor is 4K? I dont watch 4K at all, my monitor is standard chinese Full HD 165Hz GSync with builtin upscalers, I just test 4K source for performance, hehe! I dont see massive quality degradation only because of monitor upscalers, but my solutions shown are exclusively for 6x movie fps targets, obviously I watch 1080p with 3x for sure!

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