Have found the right deinterlacer.... → KERNEL BOB ← to completely elliminate the problem ... 

And Specific SETTINGS in kernel bob tab to completely elliminate the stutter/judder problem...

settings like... swap fields, treshold ← (important).. etc...

Cuz yadif looks like rubbish.... it distort the image .. like waves in the countours of the eyelids you know (for those that done i want to upload an close up picture)!!

ERRrrrr... it only takes 400% CPU LoADs       ... All 4 cores loads fluctuates between 90 - 97% 

Oh well.... atleast .. stutter is gone while using Deinterlacing ...
And no Frame drops (SVP) so far either   

cherriepoppers

well... it seems the stutter ocures only when i use additional Deinterlacing through FFDshow !!!

so, when i disable Deinterlace i can completely Elliminate the stutter/judder problem    !!!!!

It DEFENITELY has something to do with the method of deinterlacing to_O !!!   ... Now... i just need to find the right setting when i watch stuff using additional deinterlacers ..... 

And when i succeed in doing that, i will start to write an textbook to describe all these kinds of nuisances and possible sollutions    ....

cherriepoppers,
metagondria

Metagondria
i STILL noticed some stutter in some scenes during playback
What you do to reduce stutter?
If uniform interpolation mode and adjusting smooth.scene.limits.scene value are not help then change smooth.scene.limits.zero value to 0.

Well, you remember i have had this phenomenon in that movie i have uploaded you to show / illustrate what the problem exactly wos...

Back then you suggested to change and set the commandline smooth.scene.limits.scene value... well i found the sweet spot for that movie .. and the problem faded away... no more stutter...

That is for that movie.... 

But now , when watching an episode it happend again... not in all episodes though.... 

So, it easily can be related due to the nature of the video material in which its encoded aswell...

Because, although the stutter isnt that bad watching it through windvd.... i STILL noticed an small jitter in that specific scene .. yes while watching it on windvd !!!
So ... this might be classified as bad Encode (video track as source/root problem) perhaps   

have done as you told me to do and set the smooth.scene.zero value to well... from 200 (default) to  → 0 ... but allas ... not much improvement ... but... i think it did improved an lil....

But iam 200% convinced that that SPECIFIC SCENE woud play just FLAWLESS in an STAND ALONE HARDWARE player ....
So i take that as an refference .. role model for comparison mag...

I know software players do Emulate the real thing... and emulation iS NEEEEVERRRRR 100% accurate as the REAL thing NOR will it EVER be as PERFECT ... but still...
have learned that on several occasions over the years ... working with emulated software that is !!!!

cherriepoppers,
metagondria

FFDSHOw external filter is clearly messing up things !!!!
And / or SVP .. 

When iam not use any FFDshow external filter, i have perfect navigation time and time again !!

just great... i guess .. its up to me to expermint and try different revisions of ffdshow !!!

Also... i STILL noticed some stutter in some scenes during playback DESPITE the overide settings → "smooth.scene.limits.scene" ←   

Again, i have checked the disc itself for scratches or other things that might have read problems... but the disc and more specific the scene where the stutter ocures DO actually play just FINE in WINDVD !!!!

I don't expect to drag an external everywhere and make it work by just connecting it to an TV set !!!!  Since most smart tv's only read compressed media files and not dvd/bd structurers like video_ts folders or M2TS = BD nor disc images like iso,img,mds...

You see my point... the fact is its safer and more user friendly.

True, having an 2nd backup of all the good stuff is an golden rule that applies to nearlhy everytying..
But if you only have room for 1 backup i think its safe to distribute it as widely as possible on several plastics .. you know...  instead of using 1 big huge plattern disk to store thousands of movies that might damage and fail beyond repair !!!

Sure you can buy 2 4TB hdd's , but still the chance they both fail with an time period of 5 - 10 years is still much larger then that all of my 2000+ plastics will fail at once in that period .. you know...

And when that happends, iam not sure that it will be cost efficient anymore in the long run !!!!

cherriepoppers,
metagondria

With cheap brands i agree 100%..  Have learned that the hard way myself !!!

But i recently have watched an burn of proximately 13 years old by now ..  Not 1 hickup during playback 
Furthermore, TRT scans showed 1 nice long CURVE upwards reaching READ speeds of 18x near the end..  Yeah , 1 of my dvd+rw drives is hacked to exceed read speeds 

Ofcourse , and i have mentioned that on numerous occasions..

THAT IS if you USE and burn on QUALITY media ...

Add to that , that i have used Specialy DVD+R (HARD COATED) for my movies for LONG TIME STORAGE ...

Also, having 2000+ disc doesnt mean they all will FaiL to read at once you know     .. meaning you wont have to replace them all at once, provided that you watch those movies again from time to time.. 
If not for the movie for testing purpose then    ..

That said, the chances that all of my movies at the same time will fail to read is far less then 1 hdd failure in the same amount of time .. lets say 5-10 years... mkay .. u follow me..
For example i have my collection for like almost 15 years by now...

During that time i maybe had to rewrite 5 dvd TOPS that couldnt be read.. or started to wear off !!!
i know what u probebly thinking... how many dvd's do u have reviewed during that time..

Well, i watch atleast 3 movies a week from my collection...  so lets do the math 3x1x52x15= drum beat...   thats like over 2000+... Lo and behold ... that happends to be my collection lol 
Iam just sayiing here... if the failure rate of plastic woud be like u say... between 5 - 10 years.. i woud be whitiout movies by now lol !!!

And the few i had to redo , i STILL COULD COPY / PAST lol and REBURN .. and on top of that iam talking about a few bad cheap brand & burns i have burned TOO fast (16x dvd) too i might add!!

hence, use only quality brands... never had to replace an good reputated brand that i have used for an → quality burn ←  in the first place .
That said, quality burn is JUST AS IMPORTANT AS the brand of media if not more so important !!

During those 15 years i have replaced more of hdd's in laptops / computers from others then plastic discs ...

Granted, i have had maybe 1 bad hdd that wos completely useless beyond repair.. during that time..

But i still own 2 hdd's that have showned signs of wear and tear according to the smart status and extended tests !!!
And those HDD's arent as near as BIG as 4TB lol... like more less then 1/10 of that size !!!

That toO is an risk to think about, → the bigger the size the more sectors/clusters that can fail over time !!!!
Not to mention the amount of platterns a hdd can hold .... !!!  like 2,3 platterns is not uncomon in BiG hdd's todays just and because of the capacity to hold so much data !!!
 

So you might want to re think the whole Durability VS price scenario if i were u ...   Cuz .. if 1 hdd ... especialy 1 of 4TB will fail in the next 5 years ... it will sure cost u more then just 15Cents for an piece of plastic u know..
Iam not sure... like the cost of 1000 movies at once because of bad sectors or wurse...

That woud be the scenario if you woud use 1 big storage instead of several small ones ... dont u get it...

The risk of running 1 bigh huge hDD is much greater then having several smaller means of storage u know... maybe not cheaper 4xhdd vs 1HDD .. but its safer..
Also... another advantage of using several hdd's is that you can run them in raid too for faster speeds ..

4 tb hdd ... u must be either very BRAVE or the other one indeed.... lol... 

Also, did u know that 4TB uses an GPT partition and because of that will likely causes backwards compatilibity issues in OS, applications.. and then theres the mobo (bios) that might not give the right estimate of the hdd its capacity etc etc...!!!

Realy.... i seriously would think twice+ before u bite the bullet on that one.. ...

cheers,

recover an failing 4tb drive woud you

4TB HDD cost "nothing" (well 150 Euros maybe), buy 2 of them, one for savety. And story everything twice. Still cheaper than burning DVD/blue Rays

And not the least to mention is the durability = lifetime of 1 dvd can be easily exceed the life time of an HDD by an factor of 3-5 !!!

Yeah, a buyed DVD maybe. Self burned DVD has a similiar lifetime than a HDD (5-10 years). Now "re-burn" 1000 DVDs by hand to a fresh one, every 5 years or copy your HDD to a new one every 5 years. Whats more easy and less expensive?

They wont last a century. CDs already start to get destroid. (thats CDs in state owned archives, that are never used but are only stored "For eternity" at perfect temperatures etc in zero light cases) They get "holes" and now they are really pissed of because they need to take care of several millions of them getting holey and beeing lost for future generations forever.....

So say goodbye to your Blue Rays in 30 years.

I have only but 2 DVD"BOX" containing 1000 DVD's,  wheighing Just 10 Kg da box  .

Now i myself can pull 30Kg with just 1 arm.... thats like 60kG with boths arms divided by 10kg da box = i can carry 6 boxes at once when my house burns down !!

Now, i dont know bout u... but i find that an good quality←VS→wheight compromise. 
And not the least to mention is the durability = lifetime of 1 dvd can be easily exceed the life time of an HDD by an factor of 3-5 !!!

Now dont let me start about Bluray good lord... in theory these "scratch proof" plastics can even hold data for an century.... like 21 Century fox PROOF  ... chorltes 

You know... HDD failures is known to happen... and rather sooner then u think...

Example, me bhought an popular 1TB 2,5inch hdd for my external usB3+esata enclosure ... now 1 week later BAM ... BAD sectors pending .. after only a week for crying out loud..

1 enhanced secure erase took care of it though....     ... But before that , the drive wos already filled up to 0,5 Terrabyte... yep... where to go with all that info wos my biggest concern !!!

Now back on topic , the ammount of Moneyings you woud need to pay for sufficient HDD storage woud exceed the budget to buy the 1000 rondies by far.
I like only pay 22euros for 100 discs .. and AAA+ quality discs like VERBATIM / TAYO YUDEN (JVC DVD+R) not the cheap ones..

1000x4GB= 4 TB / 4  = 4x1TB hdd → (you would not try and want to rescue / recover an failing 4tb drive woud you) are you tad mad ??  Meaning → my example earlier this post...

Also, the chances your 4 hdd woud fail at once is astronomical unthinkable !!

1 hdd however.. and from that size !! You know where iam going too... me hopes..

NOw 4x1GB hdd or 1000 plastics... do the math...

And that is if we are talking about HDD... SSD however woud cost you only like 500+dollars for 1 TB if you are that lucky to find it cheap lol

... well... u get the idea of priceVSqualityVSdurability vs me ... meh...

Cherriepoopers
Metagondira ... OUT..
meh..

or alternatively 4000 hours of full-hd video material, 1kg, size of a book.
compared to
a rack of 20 meters (blue ray) and a weight of 140kg.

Of course it all depends how much video material you want to store in what size of apartment/house. I also dont know whats better for the envoirement... producing a Harddisk or 700kg of plastic.

But everyone can do it how he wants it to be done.

BTW, its like with 24 FPS.... Like we had 80 years of 24FPS we may have 80 years of MPEG-2 on plastic discs. As long as nobody says: Bah...thats technology my grandfather invented!

Because, those convertions are in ESSENCE ALL (and i do mean every 1 and single of emm) KNOCK OFFS from the original version (the REAL THING .. yes DVD or BD that you declare wAr!!) both Quality wise as Feature wise  !!

DVD is NOT the "real" thing. DVD use MPEG-2, wich already trades quality for file size. the real thing (compression that doesnt trade quality with size) would be about 10times the size of a DVD. It was celebrated as a miracle to have such tiny video files with almost no (visible) loss of quality.... back then, in the stone age, when MPEG-2 was invented...

For todays standarts, that compression algorithm is totaly ancient, outdated, weak compared to modern algorithms basing on MPEG-4 or others who all are able to create identical quality in much, much smaller size.
The only problem that exists is, that the source material (a DVD for example) is already compressed by a quality losing algorithm, so that a ripp of that makes it worse, but its impossible to get a hand to the raw material.

Not to start an debate which is the better of the two..

Ofcourse by "The real thing" i dont mean to say that the content of dvd disk is actually the captured master piece lol !!!  The same goes with Bluray discs imo..

Futhermore, i know that raw → UNCOMPRESSED ← video material can be 10X or more times the size of even Blu-ray disc capicity ... Single, double, or even Quad layered Blu-ray discs..
And iam not even talking about an specific resolution the video is captured at either ....   

Else, that woud ADD another few hundreds gigabytes to this Discussion trolol.

Iam very well aware of the fact that uNCompressed video material can be very taxing on both the system in terms of speed and storage !!!!

And i know , mpeg2 is inferiour to mp4, xvid perhaps... that is if you woud use that to compress uncompressed video material perhaps..!

But the truth is , that nearly every movie, episode or what ever is found on the WWW is converted to digital files (ie.. mp4, avi, xvid, flv etc etc...) and by doing that Y"ALL COMPROMISES the ORIGINAL VIDEO MATERIAL from the ORIGINAL SOURCE regardless of what Codec you might use.

Lets not forget... if DVD or bluray woudnt exist you would not be able to use those fancy codecs that exist today... just and because they are solely used on homemade cams (Homebrew in general), and oh yeah .. DVD/bluray material which are the STANDARDS for stand alones ATM .. wheiter you like it or not   

Perhaps if mp4 or other codec woud have been used as an standard for dvd disk it woud look better... JUST MAYBE !!  But thats something entirely different from what iam trying to say here!!

In my humble opinion... no matter how big the file size is from divx, xvid or other  codec/containers files are ... (not talking about h264x = HD stuff), when i compared an DVD to Xvid or divx  RE-compressed movie file with the video material of the original source disk regardless of the bitrate they have chosen to encode the material.
I cant help but notice how blurred and washed out that movie is and is NO WAY AS SHARP anymore compared to the DVD source !!!

And then there are those other cosmetic flaws like Green frames (xvid), Rainbow collor flaws etc.... because of the conversion !!!

Even when i compared that converted file to an shrinked DVD9 > DVD5 movie ... = watching divx/xvid files is like watching CGI stuff .. you know...  its like ALL DETAILS of the original source is removed by converting them in media files !!!... small details like dots.. or cracks in tables/walls ... sort of speak... not sure how to explain it...

And then theres the backwards compatibility... those files are only ment to be played on desktops..Laptops... or other computer device...
What if you have just 1 tv set that has no support for codecs other then the standard Mpeg2/Vob or H264/mt2s layout structure that retail discs have !!!

Your all left alone with that media file that resides on ur usb driver or stick, that serves only 1 purpose .. !!  And that is to bE EATEN ALIVE roar chortles hahaha..

Again, by the REAL thing ofcourse i wos refering to DVD or Bluray RETAIL DISCS ... since NONE of us ...or maybe an VERY VERY few select group of poeple will likely have the master copy in hands to play arround with it !!

..

On topic again....

Disable SVP to gain acces to menu navigation works... but MpC-hc tends to crash often doing that !!!!

Also... arround the edge of the characters in the movie i noticed almost like ghosting border you KNow.. like static noise arround them when they move especialy !!

Is there some setting to completely elliminate this... ?

I have noticed that EXACT same thing in Windvd tooo .. but only when using All2hd + DNM feature !!!

Here you are ↓ let me show ya an pictar...

This ↓ is an captured frame from the movie Elysium (dvd9)

... Any idea how that works !?

And lets not forget Chainsaw ...

@CHAINsaw

Hahahahatjes.... merry X → miss ← (cuz ill NEVAARrr will give up my precious dvd/bd collection  )

Also , and you need to see this for yourself ... its maybe because of my superious eyes lol but..

Iam DEAD serious .. when i talking DVD+QUALITY in 1 single sentence syntax 

Furthermore, i find the quality of Bluray inferiour to the quality of DVD using → enhanced features ← in software players such as ... → smooth / DNM video playback and sharpen filters ← ...

SERIOUSLY... when playing BD in windvd all those neat enhancement features are disabled by default .. no way to enable it... and maybe just because of those enhancements DVD looks very very NEAT and to me better then Bluray ..

Iam sorry but thats the way it is.....

Bluray and  → 3D ← bluray ESPECIALY 3D    is al an marketing gimick to ripp of peoples money and to counter piracy ... if you ask me... 

Let us be honest ... bluray is like 40+GB BD discs and STILL my DVD5 of proximately 46xx MB looks almost better then that (thanks those enhancements .. i admit but still!) !! FTW SERIOUSLY !????

Maybe when 4K becomes standard... and again that is if you have an HDTV that can pull that monster resolution and not need to → DOWNSCALE the resolution ←!!!
Like it wos with the so called HDREADY tv (1080i.... instead of 1080p  )

1 mistake i wont make that easily anymore when buying an tv in the future !!!

Cherriepoopers,
metagondria

Because, those convertions are in ESSENCE ALL (and i do mean every 1 and single of emm) KNOCK OFFS from the original version (the REAL THING .. yes DVD or BD that you declare wAr!!) both Quality wise as Feature wise  !!

DVD is NOT the "real" thing. DVD use MPEG-2, wich already trades quality for file size. the real thing (compression that doesnt trade quality with size) would be about 10times the size of a DVD. It was celebrated as a miracle to have such tiny video files with almost no (visible) loss of quality.... back then, in the stone age, when MPEG-2 was invented...

For todays standarts, that compression algorithm is totaly ancient, outdated, weak compared to modern algorithms basing on MPEG-4 or others who all are able to create identical quality in much, much smaller size.
The only problem that exists is, that the source material (a DVD for example) is already compressed by a quality losing algorithm, so that a ripp of that makes it worse, but its impossible to get a hand to the raw material.